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literally nobody working with a president imprisoning immigrant children to die in the desert gets to be mad about name-calling. no more fuckin "play nice" crap, these people are vile monsters and can clutch their fuckin pearls elsewhere

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 6 January 2019 15:14 (five years ago) link

neither beto nor kamala nor anybody else will lose one vote by refusing to play the 'high road' game. they will, in fact, gain voters & donations if they call that shit out for what it is.

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 6 January 2019 15:15 (five years ago) link

cosign 100%

fuck off Fred

sleeve, Sunday, 6 January 2019 16:18 (five years ago) link

People look at twitter way too much. It doesn't even cross my mind to look at it directly.

Yerac, Sunday, 6 January 2019 16:32 (five years ago) link

Treat it like a solar eclipse.

Yerac, Sunday, 6 January 2019 16:33 (five years ago) link

otm

its good for dog videos and seeing what ilxors are up to and stuff but otherwise youre just killing yourself quicker reading it

topical mlady (darraghmac), Sunday, 6 January 2019 16:38 (five years ago) link

Obviously if she responds she may have to say something along the lines of “I don’t condone that” etc but I don’t know that AOC should be forced to take responsibility for posts she didn’t make. That’s not something the right wing politicians would want to be made a two way street. It would be hard may be a good opportunity to call out the tactic.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Sunday, 6 January 2019 17:33 (five years ago) link

standing by for when lib media inevitably makes this her fault

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 6 January 2019 17:35 (five years ago) link

“lib media”

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Sunday, 6 January 2019 17:36 (five years ago) link

I don’t know that AOC should be forced to take responsibility for posts she didn’t make. That’s not something the right wing politicians would want to be made a two way street.

Exactly. Any response beyond "Condemn random Twitter assholes? You first, motherfucker" would be an act of surrender. I don't get the feeling she's stupid enough to fall for that.

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 6 January 2019 17:36 (five years ago) link

Condemning random twitter assholes is one of the best things. Fuck them all.

Frederik B, Sunday, 6 January 2019 17:40 (five years ago) link

AOC doesn’t need to condemn anyone

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Sunday, 6 January 2019 17:41 (five years ago) link

Also it is sort of comical that his immediate reply to her correcting his misleading tweet about tax rates was to say “hey look, some people who aren’t you were mean to me”

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Sunday, 6 January 2019 17:41 (five years ago) link

They're all Russians anyway.

Frederik B, Sunday, 6 January 2019 17:41 (five years ago) link

yeah fair i shoulda said "lib"

xxposts

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 6 January 2019 17:49 (five years ago) link

I think a big reason why @AOC is so much better at politics than so many older, more experienced Dems is that she's never known a world where Republicans aren't cartoonish villains who reliably act in bad faith. So she treats them as what they are.

— Ian Millhiser (@imillhiser) January 6, 2019

resident hack (Simon H.), Sunday, 6 January 2019 19:48 (five years ago) link

Not getting a ton of attention today, but IMO Julian Castro's answer to a question about @AOC's tax talk was striking.

"George, there was a time in this country where the top marginal tax rate was over 90 percent."

and *woosh* goes the Overton Window. pic.twitter.com/OsTd1T3RAq

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) January 6, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 6 January 2019 21:26 (five years ago) link

he's running

21st savagery fox (m bison), Sunday, 6 January 2019 22:00 (five years ago) link

Ok this Paygo stuff - its really just AOC and Ro Khanna against it, thats it? I read the thing that says oh it doesnt actually matter but idk - is there a more positive slant to this I'm not seeing?

anvil, Sunday, 6 January 2019 23:30 (five years ago) link

Omar is also against.

suzy, Monday, 7 January 2019 00:15 (five years ago) link

Haven't watched the AOC interview on 60 Minutes in full but this clip popped up on Twitter:

.@AOC says Trump is a racist, “no question.” pic.twitter.com/CSQnmCVJi2

— jordan (@JordanUhl) January 7, 2019

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 7 January 2019 03:14 (five years ago) link

Paygo is intended to undercut Republicans ability/threats to cut taxes. No Dem legislation was hampered by it when it was in effect previously. The argument seems to be about the symbolism of it.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 7 January 2019 03:49 (five years ago) link

I was about to post the AOC clip. She doesn't flinch.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 January 2019 03:57 (five years ago) link

Any one who panders to racists as much as Trump does, counts as a racist. No question.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 7 January 2019 03:57 (five years ago) link

She’s incredible. When she won I was excited based on her platform and background, but I didn’t expect her to be this good of a communicator right out of the gate.

Trϵϵship, Monday, 7 January 2019 04:08 (five years ago) link

On any given night you can see a CNN panel starting with this premise, yet here it's received as if AOC questioned whether jet fuel can melt steel beams. TV news is weird. https://t.co/p9vTpawV9c

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) January 7, 2019

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 7 January 2019 04:17 (five years ago) link

He led the birth certificate thing AND the college transcript thing for several years. Of course he’s racist. jfc

Karl Malone, Monday, 7 January 2019 04:47 (five years ago) link

Not to mention the fucking Central Park Five.

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 7 January 2019 04:58 (five years ago) link

It was exasperating if anyone expressed doubt about it during the campaign

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 7 January 2019 05:21 (five years ago) link

as long as we're posting clips

“There's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right,” @AOC says in response to criticism that she’s made factual errors. https://t.co/sKf3sHl9F6 pic.twitter.com/xKc2eB7GEk

— 60 Minutes (@60Minutes) January 7, 2019

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 7 January 2019 05:45 (five years ago) link

just to add to the list that I'm sure everyone here knows, he lost and had to settle housing discrimination lawsuits

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Monday, 7 January 2019 05:57 (five years ago) link

Any one who panders to racists as much as Trump does, counts as a racist. No question.

anyone who is as racist as the frothing, shrieking racist Donald Trump counts as a racist. what was the question

sans lep (sic), Monday, 7 January 2019 06:11 (five years ago) link

Then there was that meeting where he talked about not wanting to accept immigrants from shithole countries in Africa, but immigration from Norway was fine and dandy with him.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 7 January 2019 06:22 (five years ago) link

do we not already have a "100+ racist things trump did/said" thread

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 7 January 2019 06:33 (five years ago) link

Let me list for you the examples which convinced me that water is wet.

Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 January 2019 06:34 (five years ago) link

Lol @ Biden. Guy who loses in 84, 88 and 2008 is sceptical other Democrats can win in 2020. this hubris of this prick

anvil, Monday, 7 January 2019 07:48 (five years ago) link

AOC is like a Messi, game changer straight out the gate

anvil, Monday, 7 January 2019 07:49 (five years ago) link

Omar is also against.

― suzy,

Thanks Suzy, missed that for some reason!

Paygo is intended to undercut Republicans ability/threats to cut taxes. No Dem legislation was hampered by it when it was in effect previously. The argument seems to be about the symbolism of it.

I'd read this but...idk, I'd like to be convinced its ok and its not something that comes back to bite. You think AOC and Ro (and Omar!) got this one wrong?

anvil, Monday, 7 January 2019 07:54 (five years ago) link

Biden is pissed that the DNC told him to step aside so Hilary could run in '16.

nickn, Monday, 7 January 2019 07:54 (five years ago) link

AOC is like a Messi, game changer straight out the gate

I mean yeah this "70% tax on income over 10m" seems to already be shifting the Overton window which is something Dems have always been really bad at

frogbs, Monday, 7 January 2019 14:52 (five years ago) link

lol

Paul Krugman’s positive (and correct) article about Ocasio-Cortez’s tax ideas is perplexing. He slammed Bernie Sanders for similar ideas in 2016. pic.twitter.com/KECU6gWwb3

— Emma Vigeland (@EmmaVigeland) January 7, 2019

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 7 January 2019 14:53 (five years ago) link

Yeah, that's completely untrue. Read the columns in question: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/opinion/varieties-of-voodoo.html and https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/05/opinion/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-tax-policy-dance.html. He slammed Sanders for idiotic claims about growth. As he said:

Mr. Sanders is calling for a large expansion of the U.S. social safety net, which is something I would like to see, too. But the problem with such a move is that it would probably create many losers as well as winners — a substantial number of Americans, mainly in the upper middle class, who would end up paying more in additional taxes than they would gain in enhanced benefits.

By endorsing outlandish economic claims, the Sanders campaign is basically signaling that it doesn’t believe its program can be sold on the merits, that it has to invoke a growth miracle to minimize the downsides of its vision. It is, in effect, confirming its critics’ worst suspicions.

Basically, AOC is so much better than Sanders, and people should stop trying to use her to make Sanders seem good.

Frederik B, Monday, 7 January 2019 15:21 (five years ago) link

When yer right, yer right.

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 7 January 2019 16:15 (five years ago) link

nobody wants to say this but I have no tact, so: when is someone going to fling a bullet at AOC. this election cycle?

obviously I'm rooting for her hard but I think some form of Kevlar should be in permanent use by now

or am I being too cynical about dear old America

imago, Monday, 7 January 2019 16:35 (five years ago) link

I will forever be amazed that no one managed to take a shot at Obama during his tenure

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 January 2019 16:36 (five years ago) link

you'd hope she already has shit-hot security

imago, Monday, 7 January 2019 16:38 (five years ago) link

I'm amazed nearly every day no-one has tried to take out Trump yet tbh

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 7 January 2019 17:08 (five years ago) link

or am I being too cynical about dear old America

― imago, Monday, January 7, 2019 10:35 AM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Nah. It's just that the shots being constantly fired over here seem to rarely have coherently political intent. It's probably more likely that someone will shoot up a Foot Locker because the commies are overtaking us.

Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 January 2019 17:12 (five years ago) link

I don't think she's any more likely to be targeted than any other visible member of congress.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 7 January 2019 17:14 (five years ago) link


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