Democratic (Party) Direction

Ok this Paygo stuff - its really just AOC and Ro Khanna against it, thats it? I read the thing that says oh it doesnt actually matter but idk - is there a more positive slant to this I'm not seeing?

Omar is also against.

Haven't watched the AOC interview on 60 Minutes in full but this clip popped up on Twitter:

.@AOC says Trump is a racist, “no question.” pic.twitter.com/CSQnmCVJi2

— jordan (@JordanUhl) January 7, 2019

Paygo is intended to undercut Republicans ability/threats to cut taxes. No Dem legislation was hampered by it when it was in effect previously. The argument seems to be about the symbolism of it.

I was about to post the AOC clip. She doesn't flinch.

Any one who panders to racists as much as Trump does, counts as a racist. No question.

She’s incredible. When she won I was excited based on her platform and background, but I didn’t expect her to be this good of a communicator right out of the gate.

On any given night you can see a CNN panel starting with this premise, yet here it's received as if AOC questioned whether jet fuel can melt steel beams. TV news is weird. https://t.co/p9vTpawV9c

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) January 7, 2019

Trump tweeted this once

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/23/donald-trump/trump-tweet-blacks-white-homicide-victims/

He led the birth certificate thing AND the college transcript thing for several years. Of course he’s racist. jfc

Not to mention the fucking Central Park Five.

It was exasperating if anyone expressed doubt about it during the campaign

as long as we're posting clips

“There's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right,” @AOC says in response to criticism that she’s made factual errors. https://t.co/sKf3sHl9F6 pic.twitter.com/xKc2eB7GEk

— 60 Minutes (@60Minutes) January 7, 2019

just to add to the list that I'm sure everyone here knows, he lost and had to settle housing discrimination lawsuits

Any one who panders to racists as much as Trump does, counts as a racist. No question.

anyone who is as racist as the frothing, shrieking racist Donald Trump counts as a racist. what was the question

Then there was that meeting where he talked about not wanting to accept immigrants from shithole countries in Africa, but immigration from Norway was fine and dandy with him.

do we not already have a "100+ racist things trump did/said" thread

Let me list for you the examples which convinced me that water is wet.

Lol @ Biden. Guy who loses in 84, 88 and 2008 is sceptical other Democrats can win in 2020. this hubris of this prick

AOC is like a Messi, game changer straight out the gate

Omar is also against.

― suzy,

Thanks Suzy, missed that for some reason!

Paygo is intended to undercut Republicans ability/threats to cut taxes. No Dem legislation was hampered by it when it was in effect previously. The argument seems to be about the symbolism of it.

I'd read this but...idk, I'd like to be convinced its ok and its not something that comes back to bite. You think AOC and Ro (and Omar!) got this one wrong?

Biden is pissed that the DNC told him to step aside so Hilary could run in '16.

AOC is like a Messi, game changer straight out the gate

I mean yeah this "70% tax on income over 10m" seems to already be shifting the Overton window which is something Dems have always been really bad at

lol

Paul Krugman’s positive (and correct) article about Ocasio-Cortez’s tax ideas is perplexing. He slammed Bernie Sanders for similar ideas in 2016. pic.twitter.com/KECU6gWwb3

— Emma Vigeland (@EmmaVigeland) January 7, 2019

Yeah, that's completely untrue. Read the columns in question: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/opinion/varieties-of-voodoo.html and https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/05/opinion/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-tax-policy-dance.html. He slammed Sanders for idiotic claims about growth. As he said:

Mr. Sanders is calling for a large expansion of the U.S. social safety net, which is something I would like to see, too. But the problem with such a move is that it would probably create many losers as well as winners — a substantial number of Americans, mainly in the upper middle class, who would end up paying more in additional taxes than they would gain in enhanced benefits.

By endorsing outlandish economic claims, the Sanders campaign is basically signaling that it doesn’t believe its program can be sold on the merits, that it has to invoke a growth miracle to minimize the downsides of its vision. It is, in effect, confirming its critics’ worst suspicions.

Basically, AOC is so much better than Sanders, and people should stop trying to use her to make Sanders seem good.

When yer right, yer right.

nobody wants to say this but I have no tact, so: when is someone going to fling a bullet at AOC. this election cycle?

obviously I'm rooting for her hard but I think some form of Kevlar should be in permanent use by now

or am I being too cynical about dear old America

I will forever be amazed that no one managed to take a shot at Obama during his tenure

you'd hope she already has shit-hot security

I'm amazed nearly every day no-one has tried to take out Trump yet tbh

or am I being too cynical about dear old America

― imago, Monday, January 7, 2019 10:35 AM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Nah. It's just that the shots being constantly fired over here seem to rarely have coherently political intent. It's probably more likely that someone will shoot up a Foot Locker because the commies are overtaking us.

I don't think she's any more likely to be targeted than any other visible member of congress.

Secret Service protection of the president is 100x greater than any security provided to members of the House of Representatives. afaik, representatives have zilch once they step away from the Capitol or their offices, unless they pay for it themselves. Look at Gabrielle Giffords.

yeah I don't think they have any security detail at all

well, according to Fox News, the AOC dancing "controversy" was a false flag. no conservatives were actually outraged. actually they were laughing about it, about how not-outraged they were. checkmate, libs.

Dear Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez @AOC I ask that you guide my thoughts, my feelings and my perceptions. AMEN pic.twitter.com/ztY0GIuuqb

— RuPaul (@RuPaul) January 6, 2019

between this and Cher she really is getting the heavyweight endorsements

btw Ilhan is pretty much just as good

🙄 https://t.co/CzU0blv9kW

— Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) January 7, 2019

I'd read this but...idk, I'd like to be convinced its ok and its not something that comes back to bite. You think AOC and Ro (and Omar!) got this one wrong?
― anvil, Monday, 7 January 2019 07:54 (fifteen hours ago)

IDK does that mean the shit ton of republicans who voted the way they did got it right? From AOC’s perspective and other Dems who voted w her it was a futile vote but meant to maybe signal to leadership “hey we got big progressive legislation planned don’t try take a side against it”.

The republicans had different reasons for voting against this bill.

Also i really hope aoc has a secret service detail. I think they know she has more enemies than other members of congress and adjust accordingly, as I expect they also do with pelosi et al. However, who knows?

she does not

we went over this

Pelosi does because she's in the line of succession for the presidency

AOC does not have any kind of Secret Service detail. That's not how it works.

“There's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right,” @AOC says in response to criticism that she’s made factual errors.

Not a huge fan of that sort of thinking, to be honest. And I am pretty much in her camp.

That’s fucked up. They should respond to intelligence reports and seem to prevent attacks.

xp

Aoc has shifted on that point—she praised fact checkefs today and says everyone should want to be held accountable.

nor does Pelosi, FWIW - she would have a Capitol Police detail that travels with her, outside of House and Senate leadership they don't even get that

Secret Service details for all 535 member of Congress would be impossible and unnecessary.

@EmmaVigeland
Paul Krugman’s positive (and correct) article about Ocasio-Cortez’s tax ideas is perplexing. He slammed Bernie Sanders for similar ideas in 2016.

Thank god Nobel Prize in economics winner Emma Vigeland was there to approbate Krugman's (correct) take on economic policy and I wasn't sure what to make of this nobody.