it's not about semantics it's about power ffs
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 20:49 (five years ago) link
obama's "evolution" on gay rights was of course implausible and surely his early reticence reflected cynicism and political cowardice.
iirc obama actually said at some point in the mid-90s that he favored gay marriage and then he just sort of awkwardly ignored that fact for a while
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 20:52 (five years ago) link
Gillebrand announced and no one here or on Twitter is talking about it. and as we know that's a perfect microcosm of the electorate.
all kidding aside, that doesn't seem great for her.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 21:05 (five years ago) link
the real question is will i ever actually learn to spell her name correctly?
She did it on Colbert though, right? That doesn't air until 11:30. Give it time to break through.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 21:08 (five years ago) link
not seeing this announcement anywhere (the Hill, politico, WaPo, NYT, Huffpo, etc.) so uh if she announced she sure fucked it up
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 21:08 (five years ago) link
i saw the headline a couple of hours ago on cnn.com
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 21:25 (five years ago) link
being against gay marriage is insane and always has been
there's a real difference between irrational and insane
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 21:28 (five years ago) link
not there now:
https://www.cnn.com/us
― sleeve, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 21:30 (five years ago) link
It's not wise to make such an announcement on the day that gave us 'hamberders'.
― Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 21:40 (five years ago) link
Gillibrand announcing on Colbert's show means she will follow 5 minutes of hamberder jokes
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 21:51 (five years ago) link
i don't think gillibrand has much of a chance tbh
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 21:52 (five years ago) link
She’ll have to deal w both the insane people who blame for the Franken thing and also people critical of her blue dog past.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 21:58 (five years ago) link
with a field this large, few have much of a chance
yet someone will win
anyway i don't think anybody remembers where/when Obama announced. not a big deal when most of the country doesn't know you yet.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:02 (five years ago) link
I mean I know who they are, but idg the Franken fuckbois. Dems should be absolutists on harrassment/misbehavior, and MN still has a Dem senator. Where is the great and unforgivable damage?
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:02 (five years ago) link
also she's unlikable and uncharismatic.
obv a lot can change between now and 2020 but it feels more and more like harris every day
― Mordy, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:03 (five years ago) link
I like her and she has charisma. WTF are you on about?
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:04 (five years ago) link
i don't particularly want a democratic prez who once had a 100 percent rating from the NRA
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:07 (five years ago) link
She hasn't skirted talking about that in the last few years, so I don't know why she'd start now. Her gun position movement is believable.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:10 (five years ago) link
She gonna switch back to pro-gun?
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:11 (five years ago) link
i have yet to speak to a person irl who likes her but maybe she just hasn't been around enough and when she is debating + giving press conferences etc ppl will warm up to her
― Mordy, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:11 (five years ago) link
i love ppl seeing an aura of inevitability when no votes have been cast yet
(I mean the fix was in 4 years ago and she still almost crashed... in the spring)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:13 (five years ago) link
hey it could be anyone i don't know the future maybe there won't be an election at all maybe edward snowden will win.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 22:14 (five years ago) link
― Mordy
Mordy otm, I've reluctantly come around to her even though she was/is a prosecutor
― sleeve, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 23:13 (five years ago) link
all the rest of them suck even more
― sleeve, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 23:14 (five years ago) link
Gillibrand has the most anti-Trump voting record of any Democratic senator. https://t.co/KO8vWSoYIr— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) January 15, 2019
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 23:58 (five years ago) link
I don't understand the Gillibrand revulsion. She's been solid in the last two years.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 23:58 (five years ago) link
to be clear, I am totally fine with Gillibrand, she's my age and I am on her side re: Franken.
― sleeve, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 00:03 (five years ago) link
yeah she's fine. I think Harris has advantages she doesn't (more charismatic, obvious appeal to minority demographics etc.) but we'll see
xp
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 00:03 (five years ago) link
plus no prosecutor baggage
― resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 00:04 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJEaJR5HI_Q
― Mordy, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 00:15 (five years ago) link
Brown apparently making some kind of announcement on Chris Hayes' MSNBC show next hour.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 00:38 (five years ago) link
Brown as in Jerry??
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 00:45 (five years ago) link
As in Sherrod.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 00:45 (five years ago) link
oh right that guy
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 00:46 (five years ago) link
Gillibrandberders
― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 00:51 (five years ago) link
I dig Sherrod Brown but he's gonna have to tighten up his suit game. Guy dresses like he manages a shoe store.
― Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 00:53 (five years ago) link
w apologies to shoe store managers
Gillibrand is pretty charismatic. I mean she is no Adam Driver.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 00:56 (five years ago) link
Brown might make this a hoarse race.
― brownie, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 00:59 (five years ago) link
lol
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 01:02 (five years ago) link
heck of a job, brownie!
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 01:03 (five years ago) link
hoping some more candidates make this case as well
Bernie Sanders: Democrats Need to Rein In Our Out-of-Control Military Spending https://t.co/pcJslXrNV3— In These Times (@inthesetimesmag) January 15, 2019
― resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 01:05 (five years ago) link
Hard to do when MSNBC hasn't reined in its military spending on advisers, consultants, etc.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 01:06 (five years ago) link
don't starve Our Great Military, Democrats
(not a chance)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 01:54 (five years ago) link
lol Sherrod Brown is doing a "listening tour" in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 01:57 (five years ago) link
Just some random states
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 02:09 (five years ago) link
I wonder how much more attention Wisconsin will enjoy this round
― resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 02:13 (five years ago) link
CA gonna be a big deal this time
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 02:27 (five years ago) link
would be nice, for once
― Dan S, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 02:49 (five years ago) link