do ppl who aren't Franken's direct friends/colleagues even care about her involvement at all? like....still?
― resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 17:37 (five years ago) link
Yeah she is a bit too moderate for me when there are more progressive candidates. I also don't care about the "doing it for the children angle."
― Yerac, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 17:37 (five years ago) link
xpost one of my friends who is super super liberal calls her Judas because of the Franken thing. i want to slap it out of him.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 17:38 (five years ago) link
ugh
― resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 17:39 (five years ago) link
i think a lot of boomer Dems and (maybe) Minnesotans are pretty pissed about Franken. or at least what i can surmise from online outrage.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 17:40 (five years ago) link
Weird and bad grudge to hold imo
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 17:41 (five years ago) link
yeah I am...agnostic about whether he should have been pressured to resign but at this point who really cares
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 16 January 2019 17:44 (five years ago) link
Yeah we have bigger problems
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 17:45 (five years ago) link
Gillibrand would be a perfectly acceptable VP, and she's good in the Senate. She hasn't got a chance of becoming President, though.
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 17:45 (five years ago) link
i think you can think franken was right to resign when he did and still think it wasn't great that he got taken down by a string of mostly anonymous accusations (which, oddly, seemed to stop as soon as he resigned)
obv blaming that on gillibrand is stupid, schumer had already told franken to resign
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 17:54 (five years ago) link
is that really odd?
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 17:55 (five years ago) link
if he was right to resign when he did, why was it wrong for people to be pushing for him to resign when he did?
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 17:56 (five years ago) link
b/c i mean the "taking down" wasn't like he was gunned down in the streets, or put through a show trial without due process or whatever. he was called upon to resign from an elected office, and he did.
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 17:57 (five years ago) link
Getting your ass grabbed is a thing that women have long minimized. One of the women really thought long and hard about coming forward because it's usually more punishing for the woman than it is the man.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 18:03 (five years ago) link
Like, do you want to be known for taking down a senator that you like for something as everyday as getting your ass grabbed?
― Yerac, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 18:05 (five years ago) link
Yeah, coming forward always leads to retribution for women, so if he has already resigned, why come forward?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 18:09 (five years ago) link
why was it wrong for people to be pushing for him to resign when he did?
if i remember right (stopped paying attention to this a long time ago), franken had submitted himself to the internal party or senate process, and people were just waiting to see what it found; the push to resign was to do so ahead of that determination. so if you think the process had some kind of legitimacy that a worry about optics or whatever could have abandoned, then that would be a reason.
― j., Wednesday, 16 January 2019 18:11 (five years ago) link
The process does not have legitimacy, lol.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 18:12 (five years ago) link
Sorry for sounding flippant. It's not a laughing matter.
you bastard
― j., Wednesday, 16 January 2019 18:15 (five years ago) link
http://time.com/5042931/al-franken-accusers/
― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 18:16 (five years ago) link
I mean seriously, how many you "unintentionally" land your hand on someone's ass while taking a picture?
― Yerac, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 18:20 (five years ago) link
There are four named women in that piece, and one of them had photographic evidence. I've honestly rarely seen these stories be so clear-cut?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 18:25 (five years ago) link
XP Ask Poppy Bush.
― Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 18:36 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I also didn't give him a pass because he was old. They should've wheeled him out far from arms length of any woman.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 18:38 (five years ago) link
I would bring people together to start getting things done. If you want to get health care done, you have to bring Ds and Rs to the table on the shared values of this country. We all love our children."
This position needs a lot of work before it has any resonance at all. For chrissakes, take a solid position on what you think the freaking children need that they aren't getting now and how you want to deliver it. Bipartisanship is not an end in itself and literally no one cares about it. They care about what happens, not how.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 18:40 (five years ago) link
Voters totally give lip service to bipartisanship but generally what they actually mean is “get the other party to cave”
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 18:44 (five years ago) link
back to back otm's
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 18:46 (five years ago) link
even in an election cycle where there isn't this much progressive energy, you would expect Dem candidates to tack to the left at least somewhat during primary season, so if Gillibrand ends up trying to stake a claim towards the center she may be dooming herself before she even gets off the ground. this is also why Biden's campaign is either going to be gratuitously phony or gratuitously tone-deaf.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 19:11 (five years ago) link
Gratuitous in some way, surely. Really hope he doesn't run. Fox News headline that popped up recently: Biden family sounds warning – Dems moving too far left. gtfo
― composed of atoms just as all posters have been (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 19:28 (five years ago) link
If Gillibrand begins tacking rightward (centerward?) once she's all in, I'll be super disappointed. Partly because she's doing it, but mostly because Morbs can say "told you so."
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 19:50 (five years ago) link
I could really use a candidate scorecard on these proposals
On nearly every "radical" idea the American people are with us:72% want to expand Social Security.70% want Medicare for All.65% want a jobs guarantee.64% want to legalize marijuana.60% want tuition-free public colleges.58% want $15 min wage.57% want to break up big banks.— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) January 15, 2019
― resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 20:19 (five years ago) link
I could really use a candidate, Bernie or otherwise, who goes hard on the issues w/o apology all the way through
― Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 20:34 (five years ago) link
the=these
lol at "tuition-free public colleges" though. (I get that "tuition" is short for "tuition fees" here, but think the construct looks unfortunate.)
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 17 January 2019 00:40 (five years ago) link
no idea what your objection is
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 17 January 2019 00:57 (five years ago) link
I get that "tuition" is short for "tuition fees" here
Here?
Well, to me "tuition" means "the act of teaching", and "tuition fees" the payment for being taught. I read "tuition-free colleges" as "colleges where no teaching is being done" when I see that.
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 17 January 2019 01:02 (five years ago) link
But yeah, I see from some online dictionaries that the fee interpretation is more or less equally common now, especially in North America.
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 17 January 2019 01:05 (five years ago) link
I would say it's more than equally common in the US, I've never actually heard it used to mean anything other than education fees
― Dan S, Thursday, 17 January 2019 01:10 (five years ago) link
Fair enough! Sorry for derail.
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 17 January 2019 01:12 (five years ago) link
interesting to know there's another definition, though
― Dan S, Thursday, 17 January 2019 01:15 (five years ago) link
Lol I forgot about this
whenever i see the name kirsten gillibrand i automatically think of her lehman sisters quote pic.twitter.com/hXF5sl40xD— aída chávez (@aidachavez) January 16, 2019
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 17 January 2019 02:54 (five years ago) link
Thats so good
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 17 January 2019 03:03 (five years ago) link
I dont understand why people are afraid warren will be hillary 2.0 but not gillibrand, who is much more similar
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 17 January 2019 03:04 (five years ago) link
because warren has been attacked by the right wing since she first was a candidate for the senate, while they've spent comparatively little time attacking gillibrand?
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 17 January 2019 03:40 (five years ago) link
Gillibrand is terrible
― Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 17 January 2019 03:55 (five years ago) link
terrible?
don't agree
― Dan S, Thursday, 17 January 2019 04:03 (five years ago) link
Ha, "Lehman Sisters" is actually what I usually think of wrt Gillibrand too.
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Thursday, 17 January 2019 04:10 (five years ago) link
I have little doubt we'll be listening to a year+ of pablum like that from her
― Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 17 January 2019 04:13 (five years ago) link