Yeah like, i’m not anti-harris or anything, but things have to matter besides helping democrats get elected
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 18 January 2019 00:00 (five years ago) link
Harris ran for DA in SF in 2003 on a pledge not to seek capital punishment, and won. When a police officer was murdered in 2004 she was severely criticized by law enforcement and other politicians for her decision not to consider it. But according to the Chronicle at the time, San Franciscans were against capital punishment by about 70 percent to 30, different from the state itself, and SF juries were known for not ever agreeing to award the death penalty in trial. So on that she was in tune with SF voters but not the state as a whole
― Dan S, Friday, 18 January 2019 01:20 (five years ago) link
In 2012, California voters rejected Proposition 34, which would have ended capital punishment in the state. In 2014 an op-ed was written in the Chronicle by Mugambi Jouet from Stanford criticizing Harris for arguing to uphold the CA death penalty law in front of the 9th Circuit. She and Brown could have chosen not to defend the 1977 law when it was overturned by the district court. Her argument in front of the 9th was that the district court “mistook its policy critique" of the death penalty “as a proper basis for legal judgment." The 9th Circuit overturned the lower court decision unanimously, concluding that there was no legal precedent for the arguments used to reject the original 1977 referendum originally reinstating the death penalty. Lara Bazelon’s description of that in her NYT op-ed seems very distorted to me, which makes me suspect the rest of her criticism tbh
― Dan S, Friday, 18 January 2019 01:21 (five years ago) link
I wish Harris had not chosen to defend the law in 2014, but I’m not a lawyer and I don’t know what the legal consequences of not defending it based on the arguments made would have been.
It has always surprised me how much support there has been in California for the death penalty. As recently as 2016, CA voters rejected another referendum, Prop 62, that would have repealed it, instead narrowly approving Prop 66, which would speed up executions! (I think it’s still mired in red tape). All of this makes me remember that Rose Bird, a CA Supreme Court Chief Justice considered a divisive ideologue and ousted by voters for her opposition to the death penalty in 1986, was a pioneer
― Dan S, Friday, 18 January 2019 01:24 (five years ago) link
harris clearly feels that she does not have a professional obligation to defend laws she thinks are unjust (which is the right approach imo). she did this with proposition 8, but chose not to exercise this discretion with the death penalty
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-death-penalty-kamala-harris-appeal-20140824-story.html
― k3vin k., Friday, 18 January 2019 01:26 (five years ago) link
yeah, that makes me question her decision
― Dan S, Friday, 18 January 2019 01:28 (five years ago) link
The death penalty is disgustign. Maybe in some roundabout way this is principled but there is nothing i hate more than the idea that the state can murder people.
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 18 January 2019 01:31 (five years ago) link
Max Weber would like a word with you
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 18 January 2019 01:38 (five years ago) link
What does he say on the death penalty? I’m very uneducated.
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 18 January 2019 01:48 (five years ago) link
I wondered aloud earlier if there was such a thing as "progressive prosecutors" and then someone went ahead and made a list
There are many examples of truly progressive prosecutors: @SAKimFoxx @Rollins4DA @DALarryKrasner @Bell4STL @ScottColom @kimoggforda Eric Gonzalez in Brooklyn, John Creuzot in Dallas. And more. @KamalaHarris is not in that group. https://t.co/ZSSRPdyq3M— Lara Bazelon (@larabazelon) January 17, 2019
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 18 January 2019 02:09 (five years ago) link
some come closer than others, but as of year 243 and president 45, the usa has yet to elect a truly progressive president. I'm not going to hold my breath.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 18 January 2019 02:13 (five years ago) link
how many times in that timespan has a "true progressive" been on the ticket?
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 18 January 2019 02:17 (five years ago) link
Does lincoln count?
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 18 January 2019 02:19 (five years ago) link
Eugene Debs ran on the Socialist ticket, as did Norman Thomas.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 18 January 2019 02:20 (five years ago) link
A list of names of people I don’t know? That’s good enough for me too.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 18 January 2019 02:21 (five years ago) link
xp someone? I guess you mean Lara Bazelon
― Dan S, Friday, 18 January 2019 02:21 (five years ago) link
I read two comments on that article before I saw someone bitching about Gillibrand and Franken. Sigh.
― Yerac, Friday, 18 January 2019 02:21 (five years ago) link
Way upthread, sorry but
it was broadly the least sophisticated Facebook meme bullshit that only the most addled right-wing kooks and extreme low-info voters would take at face-value
Which is... um, a lot of people
― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 18 January 2019 02:50 (five years ago) link
real small clickthrough rate is all you need
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 January 2019 05:25 (five years ago) link
i guess i hadn't seen tulsi gabbard on film before. her apology made her seem lame and stilted.
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 18 January 2019 17:01 (five years ago) link
and insincere honestly. i don't know why these people with no chance are throwing their hats in the ring.
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 18 January 2019 17:02 (five years ago) link
attention
― Οὖτις, Friday, 18 January 2019 17:02 (five years ago) link
Elie Mystal had a great tweet in response to Gabbard's apology.
Good to apologize.Your punishment is that you can't be president.
― Yerac, Friday, 18 January 2019 17:05 (five years ago) link
wants a show on RT
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 18 January 2019 17:05 (five years ago) link
is it time to include mike pence in this thread
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 18 January 2019 17:44 (five years ago) link
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/18/larry-hogan-donald-trump-2020-election-1110535
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 18 January 2019 17:46 (five years ago) link
lots going on here
help pic.twitter.com/29b0gxpthJ— Carl Beijer (@CarlBeijer) January 18, 2019
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 18 January 2019 18:42 (five years ago) link
That is like one of those Yes Yes No segments from Reply All, and I'm at No.
― DJI, Friday, 18 January 2019 19:02 (five years ago) link
we're doomed
― gbx, Friday, 18 January 2019 19:11 (five years ago) link
oh hell no
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 January 2019 19:15 (five years ago) link
LAUSD strike over apparently thanks to mediation by garcetti, so look out for him to announce soon (if the ominous real estate corruption probe of city hall doesn't get too close to him). he sucks btw.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 18:22 (five years ago) link
he doesn't have a prayer imo
also yes he sucks
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 18:25 (five years ago) link
Not much more than “bad somehow when people who aren’t AOC tweet exactly the same way”
“Lots going on herehelp pic.twitter.com/29b0gxpthJ— Carl Beijer (@CarlBeijer) January 18, 2019”
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 18:47 (five years ago) link
i mean its the pretty embarrassing seeming "socialists for beto" that i think is being dragged most there
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 18:48 (five years ago) link
i was looking at a predictit for most likely dem nom. kamala was #1 which makes sense but beto was #2 which seems totally wrong to me
― Mordy, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 18:50 (five years ago) link
Maybe I was just reminded of earlier when Carl didn’t get that Chris Murphy and Brian Schatz have been tweeting that way we’ll before he ever heard of AOC
AOC is going to destroy this site by convincing a bunch of elderly rich career politicians and their weirdo staffers to tweet more and tweet worse. God bless her https://t.co/asF6dyW1Rs— Carl Beijer (@CarlBeijer) January 18, 2019
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 18:52 (five years ago) link
Increasingly don’t think Beto is running
something tells me the socialists 4 beto account is not entirely serious
pic.twitter.com/QLB3rH780F— Socialists for Beto (@socialists4beto) December 14, 2018
― resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 18:54 (five years ago) link
b-b-b-but then who would politico write about
xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 18:55 (five years ago) link
beto was #2 which seems totally wrong to me
this early it is easier to be wrong than be president. at a guess, I'd say beto is number two by representing the fantasy of a "centrist candidate who can appeal to big money contributors, be a southern white male, and still possibly excite many pieces of the democratic coalition because he's young, good-looking and can be sold to blacks as a not-racist".
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:54 (five years ago) link
i'd rate the following as more likely primary winners than beto: kamala, sanders, warren, sherrod, biden, booker, klobuchar, gillibrand. maybe he'd be right at the end there along klobuchar and gillibrand but no higher than that. i mean this is just based on my gut i don't really know anything.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:57 (five years ago) link
is anyone good running/going to run
― ||||||||, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:59 (five years ago) link
no, there are no good people in politics
― akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:02 (five years ago) link
unless like, Russ Feingold shows up
― akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:03 (five years ago) link
Remove Bookmark from this Thread
― ||||||||, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:03 (five years ago) link
wait until Deez Nuts make a formal announcement imo
― rob, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:05 (five years ago) link
i deeznuts do solemnly swear
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:06 (five years ago) link
thread delivers
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:07 (five years ago) link
LAUSD strike over apparently thanks to mediation by garcetti, so look out for him to announce soon (if the ominous real estate corruption probe of city hall doesn't get too close to him). he sucks btw.― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, January 22, 2019 6:22 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, January 22, 2019 6:22 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
he could check the 'candidate being investigated by the FBI' box that was so popular with the 2016 candidates for potus
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:10 (five years ago) link
i don't know why these people with no chance are throwing their hats in the ring.
My exact statement watching the 2016 Republican primaries, yet here we are.
― composed of atoms just as all posters have been (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:20 (five years ago) link