I used to have a print of "The Old Guitarist" over my bed because I was sentimental in my youth about the treatment of artists in a Cold Society.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 January 2019 22:31 (five years ago) link
I'm not a big Picasso fan (of any era really) but wouldn't go controppy enough to deny that he was an absolute creative force, but perhaps that he had the subtlety and sensitivity of operation barbarossa at times is part of what troubles me about him.
― calzino, Monday, 21 January 2019 22:45 (five years ago) link
I know very little and feel almost no kind of way about Picasso. Could’ve been funnier.
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 21 January 2019 23:06 (five years ago) link
The song > the artist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl8sWnUZVL4
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 21 January 2019 23:27 (five years ago) link
jim i saw those too, two summers ago and i agree! i the little dog, always gettin squashed!!
i love the gallery of bird paintings he did, just off to the side of those rooms, as a kind of palate cleanser between his endless meninas variations. of course they too end up being meninas variations themselves, compositionally
that whole museum is great. i had never seen all his wonderfully, intricately (often pornographically) bonkers ink sketches before, for instance. and all his silly drawings of his agent.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 01:42 (five years ago) link
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/03/ac/e9/03ace9844ed7c1165ca57e82378cb818.jpg
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 01:57 (five years ago) link
something about these blue and rose paintings are entrancing
https://interiorizarte.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/periodo-rosa-picasso.jpg
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 01:58 (five years ago) link
i see cezanne here in his handling of color. something about the texture, a brittleness. that's the only hint at where he would go next -- cubism -- which grew from cezanne's deconstruction of the picture plane
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 02:00 (five years ago) link
https://www.pablopicasso.org/images/paintings/family-of-acrobats-with-monkey.jpg
the harlequins are such a strange, specific motif
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 02:01 (five years ago) link
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/03/Boy_Leading_a_Horse.jpg
saw this in a museum and the docent pointed out something i hadn't noticed -- the boy ins't holding a bridle
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 02:04 (five years ago) link
harlequin is a pretty common motif in southern european art from 17c on, no?
― the late great, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 02:22 (five years ago) link
hm, i think so. i don't know another painter who took it as his or her major theme for a while.
cezanne has a great one.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Cezanne_Harlequin.JPG/800px-Cezanne_Harlequin.JPG
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 02:24 (five years ago) link
it seems an interesting topic to learn more about, like how they factored into painting. picasso's harlequins (sometimes he calls them "acrobats" it seems) always seem really vulnerable
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 02:27 (five years ago) link
i see cezanne here in his handling of color. something about the texture, a brittleness.
yes -- also the density of form
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 02:30 (five years ago) link
for sure. and the must discussed move toward "flatness."
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 02:32 (five years ago) link
i really love painting. i should try to take some lessons
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 02:33 (five years ago) link
Cezanne is the fulcrum upon which painting turns.
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 02:59 (five years ago) link
so what do y'all think about Berger's book? I read it about fifteen years ago and it had insights.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 03:18 (five years ago) link
the success and failure of picasso? i also read it a while ago -- 9 years ago -- and thought it was captivating at the time. i remember his discussion of cubism, and also the proto-cubist experiments of cezanne esp wrt the "bathers" at the philly museum, blew my mind
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 03:20 (five years ago) link
his ultimate argument, iirc, is that over time picasso became too in love with his own whims and came to a position where he was only interested in the artistic process, not any specific resulting work. he took seriously the idea that he was a genius but he saw his "genius" separately from himself, as a thing he could channel but not wield
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 03:25 (five years ago) link
Yeah, Berger relied on his Marxism to come to that conclusion.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 03:37 (five years ago) link
yeah and i think he said that it was connected to the absurd market for his work, where even random, tossed off things he did in an afternoon would go for millions at auction. almost like he was midas.
i liked that berger could provide a frank analysis like that but also admire cubism. i didn't "get" cubism--and i definitely didn't get cezanne--until i read this book. berger's fantastic.
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 03:43 (five years ago) link
have you read his last collection, "portraits"?
No. I read most of his books, novels excluded in the early '00s. They're in my closet. I've wanted to revisit Success and Failure though.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 03:44 (five years ago) link
i recommend it. the first chapter is about the fayum mummy portraits--really fascinating and insightful
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 03:48 (five years ago) link
Cezanne was obviously a massive influence on 20th c movements like cubism/the fauves/and probs some others I can't remember. His sculptural approach to painting is something Picasso is almost like a tribute band to in his early work.
― calzino, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 09:33 (five years ago) link
I went to that Tate "1936" show last year and the degree of invention and variation convinced me that that was his "best" period. Completing wildly different colour schemes and designs like within a single week, or even day sometimes, totally superhuman.
― glumdalclitch, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 09:51 (five years ago) link
i wish i went to that glumdalclitch! i read about it. seemed incredible
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 01:38 (five years ago) link
i want some more discussion here folks. participation is part of your grade
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 01:39 (five years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 00:01 (five years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Thursday, 28 February 2019 00:01 (five years ago) link
https://www.anothermag.com/design-living/1901/picassos-sausage-dog
― the late great, Sunday, 10 March 2019 18:00 (five years ago) link
Stolen painting valued at 16.5 million euros recovered in Greece & then just put on a ledge where it drops to the floor
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/picasso-painting-stolen-recovered-greek-police-drop-113717779.html
― StanM, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 14:29 (three years ago) link
The backlash is in full effect:https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/01/arts/design/hannah-gadsby-brooklyn-museum-picasso.html
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Monday, 5 June 2023 15:39 (one year ago) link
Saw JBRL posting about this elsewhere.
― The Original Human Beat Surrender (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 5 June 2023 16:50 (one year ago) link
I love the famous "Weeping Woman" and hoped to paint-by-numbers recreate it on wood, varnish it, and hang it in a surprising spot in the back garden
― professional window (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 5 June 2023 19:16 (one year ago) link
Yes, I'm not a big fan either but I've just been to the Picasso Museum in Paris and found it completely overwhelming, the guy was like a machine.
― Defund Phil Collins (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 September 2024 10:05 (two weeks ago) link
Earlier this summer I read Life with Picasso, the memoir by the artist Francoise Gilot who became his mistress and was mother to two of his children. It roughly covers the period from about 1946 well into the 1950s when Picasso was mostly in his 60s. Worth reading if you have an interest in him. His intelligence was undeniable, but he was often a terrible human being.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 3 September 2024 16:29 (two weeks ago) link