Public Shaming C/D?

Felons have never had the option of pretending they aren’t felons. Shaming forces everyone to take that same responsibility for their words and actions

I’m trying to agree find common ground with the Captain Save-a-MAGAs: we won’t shame him if we can all agree that he needs that smirk punched off his face (a la Spencer) at 12:01am on his 18th Birthday.

No one is saying the kid is a cool guy, just that it’s weird for national publications like Slate to put someone so young on blast for smirking. It’s displaced anger. The chaperones are responsible for the behavior of the kids on the trip and the Republican Party is responsible for promoting a toxic, craven and bigoted form of politics across the nation.

Just to clarify, I’m ok with the chaperones getting punched also.

The chaperones are responsible for the behavior of the kids on the trip

FUCK no

No ones accusing them of a crime! Their being under 18 does absolutely nothing to excuse their actions

idk trís

totally emboldened asshole bigots dont spring fully formed at 18

v handwavey there about agency of this fella and the many like him

Felons have never had the option of pretending they aren’t felons. Shaming forces everyone to take that same responsibility for their words and actions

does no such option exist in america? in other countries it does. it's possible to show compassion towards criminals. people's behaviour has mitigating circumstances. otherwise why not just stone people to death or jail them for life? why have varying sentences? not sure the punitive mindset has functioned particularly well in dealing with people's bad behaviour yet it seems fairly popular in recent times.

I didn't know ILX to be such a staunch opponent of social determinism.

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Sorry menat to one up fernando

Like the kid only matters as an example. Do we want to resist right wing populism by zeroing in on one person at a time and pecking them to death? Would that even work? The live in their own spheres anyway and will just see one another more and more as victims.

We could peck more to death with A.I. birds

Now we're talkin'.

If you had the technology to peck every single trump supporter to death, that at least would have the benefit of being effective

It serves to marginalize them. It serves to reinforce the idea that what they did is and should be widely considered Wrong. It serves to prevent their behavior from becoming normalized.

I took a felony when I was much younger when I was charged with something I didn't do, and because I had no money to bail myself it was either plead guilty or sit in jail for months waiting for a trial at which I'd be defended by a PD and probably lose anyway on account of that. What island would you like me shipped to

mon over here rip and welcome

The one where they teach reading comprehension? Xpost

You seem like such a lovely guy, Dan

I like that you capitalized the W, Dan.

ah yes sorry and carry on

What island teaches that

This is perfectly emblematic of our disagreement! You apparently think there is something absurd or incorrect about the idea that a given behavior should be universally considered Wrong. I think there’s a categorical difference between good and evil—they’re not just two different sports teams xpost

Anyway that was kinda unnecessarily hostile Dan

Xpost

And that evil doesn’t need and doesn’t deserve to always have devils advocate walruses raising their hands from the back of the class

oh good we're getting somewhere, where's that list of whats good and whats evil again, fuckin handy reference that should really put it on the fridge tbh

dan are you new to ilx? maybe take a breather. ppl are discussing this in good faith and you're having a fucking meltdown bc they dare not to see things your way. we're not devils advocates or nazi sympathizers or sea lions or gaslighters if we don't sign onto your take. we're just ppl with different perspectives.

I pulled a felony from the tone police but I’m innocent y’all

bet you do a lot of smirking in yr life

Dan, you were just a jerk to rip van wanko when he shared something painful in his past. Should I write a slate article saying you’re a monster?

I do a lot of eye rolling atm

i thought you were mute in winter tbh

love it when a longtimer goes awry over some point of small-differences principle

walruses?

he meant sea lions

Ah yes I did mean sea lions

xpost I once rolled my eyes so hard a contact lens popped out.

this is why i don't wear contact lenses

this is why i watch Frozen Planet.

Nathan Phillips's turn for public shaming next

Though is it really public shaming if you go on CNN to do an interview? And where is CNN's credibility (lol) in not doing any kind of fact checking at all on Phillips.

"The chaperones are responsible for the behavior of the kids on the trip

FUCK no"

and why not? maybe not if these kids were like, 7 or 8. if you've ever gone on a field trip with a bunch of elementary school kids, yeah, you can't control them, the best you can do is make sure they don't get hit by a car. but these kids were in High School. They were clearly deemed old enough and mature enough to attend a Right To Life protest. Watching the full video makes it perfectly clear they behaved in a manner that was not acceptable; war whoops, dancing around, clearly mocking. There were adults present. The adults did not stop it. So yes, they are responsible for the behavior the kids on the trip, at least in part.

Fuck those kids. Imagine wasting .5 seconds worrying about them possibly facing consequences for .5 seconds (which of course they’re wiggling out of anyway bc the president is also a bigot)

one of the wildest things abt white supremacy is how white people's feelings abt racism are always the terrain being contested and always presented as The Stakes.https://t.co/CdmC0pNaA8

— Swole Porter. (@GeeDee215) January 22, 2019

Furthermore, the interesting thing to me abt the teens’ ironic affect is that it’s exactly what gives ppl like Mordy the space to imply identifying their racism is “thought police” type behavior bc it creates enough doubt ... I see their smarminess as having more to do w class than anything ... ironic racism gets a societal, structural, systemic benefit of the doubt (see all the old Momus posts), an opening for ppl to say they’re just being normal teenagers bc they too identify w the teenage impulse to be condescending towards “difference” (I still remember my high school class torturing the physics sub with the Russian accent). But this isn’t abt who is nice and who is mean; it’s abt drawing a line around racism & misogyny& anti semitism as having significantly more dangerous consequences, of being ideologically harmful w very real, physical consequences. IE prison camps for immigrant children. This is per usual “ironic” racism somehow getting a pass bc it’s not “real racism” aka poor people racism, the unfashionable sincere kind which we “all” instantly recognize... these kids learned if they do it like this they’ll get a pass from their parents and the president

16 year old "kids" have their future prospects negatively affected every day

this is one of the few instances to celebrate

does anyone want this 16 year old to have great prospects

I hold the controp that much of the divisions created in hot topics of progressive discourse (TERFism, East Asian appropriation of African-American culture, prison abolition, police abolition, sex work abolition, “should we write a think piece trying to understand the neo-Nazis or deprive them of all attention”-ism), that the vitriol and incandescent rage with which we approach these arguments is a literal product of cointelpro that seeks to keep conservatives in power while anybody with any empathy is caught up in meaningless discourse about whether or not it is ethical to send death threats to a white teen in a MAGA hat

There is some evidence for that, actually, fgti. I wouldn’t discount it.

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/426338-twitter-suspends-account-that-helped-incident-involving-catholic-school

The twitter account that first shared this “viral” video was found to be suspicious by twitter and suspended. Apparently it tweeted like 5 times per hour and the profile pucture didn’t match the purported owner of the account.

xpost I don't know that I'd go quite that far but would definitely assert that paroxysms of righteous indignation are often more about buttressing the ego than the affectation of anything constructive, and those on the opposite side of that ideological divide certainly aren't complaining about the extent to which that is so.