Public Shaming C/D?

a real piece of work

It's a recurrent benbbag issue we can't seem to clear up

(sorry for tmi)

fgti otm i think

https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/10/30/sort-by-controversial/

On that note, this subreddit devoted to clowning on the bloviating nerds of the rational-sphere is very enjoyable https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/

I thought the recent "civility above all" zeitgeist around here seemed pretty un-ILX-like; now I now where it's coming from

know

we've lost our edge maybe u can help us find it

looks like Greenwald had a point after all, eh

they should publicly execute the racist teen on good morning america imo

^ this unironically

i see we all did a lot of reading on MLK Day

(what a shitpile of idiocy)

There's probably an argument to be made that 'civility above all' (like nonviolence) only carries weight within a framework where it has some tangible efficacy. Like even if it's a noble and morally upright endeavor it may have negligible real-world impact at a point.

(Which is by no means an argument against its employment, just an argument against getting one's hopes up.)

in fact why even have civilization at all when humans do uncivilized things what benefits has it actually brought us

Civility is only good for long haul flights.

Like even if it's a noble and morally upright endeavor it may have negligible real-world impact at a point

ignoble and uncivil actions can have negligible real-world impacts too

For sure.

irl at work, with family, at the bar, wherever ppl are generally civil bc that makes life more comfortable. online where no one has a face ppl are less civil. anti-civility ppl online are presumably not going around acting like jackasses and getting into nasty fights calling ppl names at the office or wherever. and the ones who are don't get invited out much anymore. but that's ok bc it leaves them more time for twitter.

ignoble and uncivil actions can have negligible real-world impacts too

you mean like Dan I calling for the televised execution of teenagers?

did he start a change.org petition tho

I mean, my long-term personal goal is increasing my kindness quotient. But if pressed I don't know that I could make a strong argument that that's a particularly effectual way to approach the world. But my inability to construct that argument doesn't really impede my intentions (most of the time, anyway) (or at least some of the time).

um that was me give credit pls xp

xp it'll matter to the ppl who experience the kindness, idk about effectiveness but considering most of what we do help no one (and hurt ppl even) working on being more kind will at least have an unambiguous positive impact on others

Yeah, that's pretty much my take. If I can reduce the number of assholes a person encounters in a day by one, I've done my job.

Who’s talking about kindness—I’m talking about the dictatorship of politesse

oh poor baby have u been repressed i'm so sorry :(

Tell it to the Basilisk, man!

Dan, I'm the one who brought kindness into the equation. That was me. Mea culpa.

for me the literal source of the incandescent rage is not relevant, though if someone becomes more skeptical of incandescent rage as a tactic if they believe it's the result of cointelpro or whoever as opposed to, you know, random white men, i don't object to that. it's more that uncontrolled rage and effective political action are not typically congruent, and any work we do to dismantle rage culture is valuable work.

― The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:17 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

When confronted by public displays of racism i too wonder how we can address the real issue: people being angry

Rage is a tactic like any other, in that sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn’t; sometimes it’s purely cathartic, and sometimes it has efficacy. Effective political action and rage can be very congruent !

High levels of anger is certainly part of it, people's willingness to own and constructively utilize their anger vs. using it as blame fuel is another and perhaps bigger part of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_sdubWaY5o

It’s just weird to me we’re more readily willing to police people’s emotional responses than we are to “thought police” their racist ideologies

It’s just weird to me we’re more readily willing to police people’s emotional responses than we are to “thought police” their racist ideologies

Yes, exactly!

When people say rage and anger as these terrible things, I feel like they are over-dramatizing what that actually looks like. It's one way to think they can control a situation to their comfort (outside of the GOP using it for their own agenda).

Rage is prone to misdirection.

it's also worth taking careful note of what gets coded as "civil" and "uncivil" and who gets to make that determination.

U wish it was

Xpost

societies will always have ppl with bad or even terrible beliefs and having a position about what we should do about them how we should deal w/ them (and not accepting some maximalist position) doesn't mean sympathy with the beliefs. u can think that it's unproductive to attack an underage person in the media for wearing a MAGA hat and also think it's a bad thing he's a Trump supporter. that doesn't mean you think "policing" ppl's emotions is more okay than "policing" the kid's racism.

this is so stupid i feel dumber having to spell it out but there u have it i guess

xpost yeah, I was kind of laughing at what mordy assumes what all the anti-civility people are doing in real life. Poking people with umbrellas and showing off ankles and bra straps.

It’s just weird to me we’re more readily willing to police people’s emotional responses than we are to “thought police” their racist ideologies

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40),

yeah i don't see *either* of these things happening

what are you even talking about xp

i assume the anti-civility ppl in real life are civil bc they're not stupid

Tbf the firewall between the internet and irl is thinning out day by day.