Public Shaming C/D?

t/s public shaming vs kink shaming

not sure what you mean by that, dan

gah, i just found the "nasty" anecdotes and it wasn't even kink shaming. It was on the masculinity thread and it was me telling my spouse how to be more inclusive during meetings and about me giving him shit for talking over people when he doesn't know anything about a topic.

So nasty

it has just occurred to dan that participation in ilx is incompatible with working at a job for money, despite the fact that he participates in ilx and works at a job for money. he then generalized this new realization to the whole population of ilx and concluded that his case must be fairly peculiar and could not be widely replicated among ilxors.

like if your argument is that shaming ppl online or trying to get them expelled is not a big deal and my argument is that no those are shitty things to do, the difference between you indulging it and encouraging it isn't much of one

― Mordy, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 21:01 (fifty-one minutes ago) Permalink

Ahh I see where this got confused. No, my argument is that accepting the framing implicit in your post is the problem; tangentially, sure, I’m *generally* against doxxing and death threats (though not ... entirely? Or at the very least being anti doxxing is contingent on.... but more on that in a second) and generally in favor of public shaming of antisocial behavior (though again as TLG points out — sometimes it can be counterproductive). What I’m more against is the idea that the terms of the debate should be fixated on either of these issues; that civility gets prioritized in this argument *every time* even though we all broadly agree that ie death threats are bad and not accommodating racists is good and probably also agree that there are exceptions when it’s better to deny the racists the oxygen or whether or not we should dox baby hitler (this is a joke relax).

No matter how the argument falls re: civility, though, it always reinforces the same underlying structure: that the kids with maga hats are victims of an online mob, but the kids ie advocating for transgender bathrooms on their campus are part of an online mob

one can even discuss racism civilly none of these things are hard and honestly everyone should've learnt them in grade school

― Mordy, 23. januar 2019 21:54 (fifty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lol. New Board Description.

Are we not discussing racism civilly? Seems like we mostly are. Saying being angry is ok is not saying anger is the only medium!

What I’m more against is the idea that the terms of the debate should be fixated on either of these issues; that civility gets prioritized in this argument *every time*

what else is going to happen when obnoxious, shithead teens are--bizarrely--getting attention from national media outlets leading them to receive death threats? it was an absurd spectacle.

i'm with fgti. this could have been a cointelpro initiative to make the left appear foolish

It kind of doesn’t matter if it was or wasn’t, ppl’s reactions are coming from an authentic place. Questioning whether it started organically or not is almost beside the point as far as I’m concerned.

Is there a high profile example of ppl becoming a flashpoint like this that *doesnt* end in death threats? Liberal or conservative or other?

The idea that as soon as you receive death threats that any criticism of you is now an overreaction seems impossible to maintain

xpost Even if it was, there are still people making useful comparisons on how we treat white "credible" teenagers caught on tape being an asshole vs how we treat non-white teenagers caught on tape being an asshole or even just existing.

(And if not couldn’t the death threats themselves be cointelpro?? Once you start thinking like this it’s impossible to get anywhere)

if it weren't for the prominence of those MAGA hats, the native American drum, and all the other unmistakable indicators of who belongs to which officially-approved social group, I'm pretty sure the staunch defenders of these kids would be howling the words "juvenile delinquents".

DUD

no one is defending the kids on ilx

to be clear, the defenders I am referencing are not ilxors.

I am glad that David Hogg kind of spoke up about this. Because on my fb I was definitely seeing friends of friends soooo upset that a teenager is getting deaththreats/inappropriate media attention. And I *know* these same people were posting fucked up derogatory bullshit about Hogg right after the shooting.

also tbc, i'm not saying i think it IS cointelpro, just that it made everyone look so foolish that it might as well have been. i guess i'm coming from the perspective of having taught high school. teens behave egregiously often; it's adults' job to teach them. turning the fire house of public condemnation on a teenager just seemed so over the top.

yeah i understand yerac. conservative media is worse in ever way to liberal media. right wing twitter likewise. trump's is a hate movement. i just kind of hold liberals to a higher standard.

i was definitely outraged when that congressman from maine--i think--posted awful things about emma gonzalez

But at the same time he now has a team of people (adults) coaching him on never admitting to a single impure thought.

I'm getting more and more baffled as to how the US treats teenagers in generally...

never admitting to a single impure thought

boy, will his confessor be surprised!

xpost If a teenager isn't a white boy they are definitely part of ms-13 or a drunk slut who was asking for it or they will be shot on sight for looking thuggish and older than 12.

Okay guys, new year, new tweet storms. It's time to talk Covington Catholic. https://t.co/mQEDwEFkPT

Pull up a chair. I think we're going to be here a while.

— Megan McArdle (@asymmetricinfo) January 23, 2019

This is the best take I’ve read

Hat tip mordy

god

You have to read on to get the take

no

Alright. Simon H is telling me in another window that mcardle is a libertarian. I don’t think it’s really relevant though.

Adults, however, can be expected not to yell anti-gay slurs, or bang a drum in a stranger’s face.

this is basically the crux of the article

the acts of a SPLC-identified hate group and a Native American singing a peace prayer are the same magnitude, good work.

a hate group mind you that had like, less than 10 people present of the 200+ plus people gathered at the scene

would love it if one of these assclowns would admit that Phillips did not initially position himself in Sandmann's face and this is fairly obvious cos he's to his left and kid is smiling up a storm.

They were waiting for the bus

GTFO with that McArdle bullshit

I don't know Mcardle, but libertarian "personal responsibility" doesn't seem right for this opinion. Although there is that whole white people are awesome thing for them.

xxpost I know. but Phillips didn't just walk up to Sandmann's voice and go "bong bong bong". he was several feet away at first. a minute or so later he stepped forward a moment later, which supports his "trying to walk away" claim

Shes more willing to admit the kid wasnt smirking than i am. I think the kid sucks. But socia media mobs are terrifying and weird and it’s even weirder when national publications get involved with this stuff.

I watched a very brief interview with one of the march's organizers/native american lawyer. She explained what she saw and felt in that moment and I trusted her viewpoint.

I mean there's no video from behind the kids and facing the Native Americans, which would paint a clearer pic, but nobody seems to wanna point that out.

Yerac otm

Here's the clip in case anyone is interested. https://www.msnbc.com/hallie-jackson/watch/organizer-of-indigenous-peoples-march-responds-to-viral-video-1429414979995

Alright. Simon H is telling me in another window that mcardle is a libertarian. I don’t think it’s really relevant though.

― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, January 23, 2019 6:01 PM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lmao @ “another window”

Is Mordy running a shadow ilx to evade the ilx leftist thought police

her: so, you got any hobbies?
me: not really. well...just this one ;)

*flicks on basement light revealing walls plastered with individual frames of the covington video and a 1/1000 scale diorama of the lincoln memorial*

— Osita Nwanevu (@OsitaNwanevu) January 23, 2019

Simon lives across the street from me and sends messages on paper airplanes between windows. Don’t be paranoid. xp

Trϵϵship posting a Megan McArdle article is really something

Um, it’s a tweet thread. Learn more about media dude.9

The fact that the right's best response to this is "an elderly man DRUMMED in his FACE" should really be the tell that there's no defense for these kids

that was one magic loogie