US Politics March 2019: “I can’t say I’m happy. I can’t say I’m thrilled”

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Everything, literally everything, they do makes sense when you remember that 90% of what animates Dem leadership is fear of white suburban petite bourgeoisie backlash. They think they lost the Kavanaugh hearings because America loves its boys so much. https://t.co/BPpdJDIQun

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) March 7, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 March 2019 18:48 (five years ago) link

lol

Louie Gohmert says he’s voting against the anti-hate resolution.

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) March 7, 2019

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 March 2019 21:44 (five years ago) link

you laugh now but the pro-hate wing of the GOP will clean up in the 2022 midterms

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 March 2019 21:45 (five years ago) link

BREAKING: Paul Manafort has been sentenced to less than four years in federal prison. The guideline range was 19 to 24 years. https://t.co/MFlViwSU84

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) March 8, 2019

a preview of future sentencing downgrades

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Friday, 8 March 2019 00:11 (five years ago) link

Well, the nation needs to heal . . .

nickn, Friday, 8 March 2019 00:21 (five years ago) link

NEW: Judge Ellis says that the sentencing guidelines are "excessive" and he says that Paul Manafort was involved in "lots of good things" he says Manafort is "a generous person." He says Manafort, "has lived an otherwise blameless life.”@GaryGrumbach reporting. https://t.co/XrNx4nNIMU

— Tom Winter (@Tom_Winter) March 7, 2019

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Friday, 8 March 2019 00:22 (five years ago) link

hope he gets extraordinarily renditioned

moose; squirrel (silby), Friday, 8 March 2019 00:22 (five years ago) link

Some fucking bullshit right there ! justice for rich white dudes fuck this place

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 8 March 2019 00:25 (five years ago) link

wonder how much roger stones' buttcheeks will get

Send Roger Stone to prison for felony fashion crime pic.twitter.com/aa27zhXbEC

— Max Burns (@themaxburns) March 7, 2019

Karl Malone, Friday, 8 March 2019 00:43 (five years ago) link

Holy shit Manafort has lived the worst possible life and he gets less than a black dude selling weed

frogbs, Friday, 8 March 2019 00:55 (five years ago) link

I can't believe I'm still naive enough to have thought he'd get a proper sentence. What a joke.

pippin drives a lambo through the gates of isengard (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 8 March 2019 00:57 (five years ago) link

What a joke. Manafort was and has always been a fucking soulless demon, finding the evilest people to support and bringing misery to millions.

DJI, Friday, 8 March 2019 00:59 (five years ago) link

Apparently he has sentencing for other stuff next week along with any outstanding SDNY stuff that’s floating out there

there's still a second sentencing hearing for manafort this week, but yeah, the first one was bullshit. (it's also possible that his second sentence will be allowed to serve concurrently with the first, rather than consecutively).

also, gotta love this tidbit:

Manafort’s allocution was notably light on expressions of remorse. He alluded only to the “conduct” that had gotten him into his situation and the “questionable circumstances” he will avoid in the future.

“I was surprised that I did not hear you express regret for engaging in wrongful conduct,” Ellis told Manafort at one point.

Karl Malone, Friday, 8 March 2019 01:01 (five years ago) link

xp

Karl Malone, Friday, 8 March 2019 01:01 (five years ago) link

Holy shit Manafort has lived the worst possible life and he gets less than a black dude selling weed
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/13/us/texas-woman-voter-fraud.html

Fucking infuriating

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 8 March 2019 01:02 (five years ago) link

He's going to jail, faces sentencing in front of a DC judge next week -- that's enough for me.

Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 March 2019 01:02 (five years ago) link

please note how much time the Watergate conspirators served.

Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 March 2019 01:02 (five years ago) link

notable that the judge (TS Ellis), ronald reagan appointee, was also the one who recently made waves for being a complete dick to the team prosecuting manafort.

Karl Malone, Friday, 8 March 2019 01:05 (five years ago) link

Manafort, "has lived an otherwise blameless life.”

What a crock of shit. Does this judge really have the brass to say he unaware of any crimes Manafort committed, apart from the eight counts for which he was indicted and found guilty by a jury, so therefore he's practically innocent? Gee, if you eliminate all his premeditated crimes from consideration, he's a heck of a nice guy!

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 8 March 2019 01:10 (five years ago) link

"Forty-seven months is nothing to sneeze at," said the judge. "That's a very heavy sentence. You have to remember we're talking about a white guy here. He's not some fucking-" [bailiff dives across, knocking microphone away]

— Splitcoil (@Splitcoil) March 8, 2019

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 8 March 2019 01:24 (five years ago) link

ALL the best blameless people

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 March 2019 01:26 (five years ago) link

My God, Martha Stewart got a year for trading on a golf course stock tip ...

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) March 8, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 March 2019 01:40 (five years ago) link

Without knowing anything else about Judge Ellis, I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t be a shame if he found out tomorrow that he has long-undiagnosed testicular cancer.

steven, soda jerk (sic), Friday, 8 March 2019 01:51 (five years ago) link

Also, so far Reality Winner is doing more time for trying to warn us about Russian meddling than anybody is for participating in it.

— Schooley (@Rschooley) March 8, 2019

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 8 March 2019 02:27 (five years ago) link

No one with the last name of Trump is going to spend even five minutes in jail.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Friday, 8 March 2019 04:02 (five years ago) link

While light sentences aren't going to be surprising in the slightest, I had thought that there would be one fall guy that would receive a heavy sentence for the sake of appearances. But then I'd also thought Manafort might be that guy!

anvil, Friday, 8 March 2019 04:54 (five years ago) link

Xpost you mean he's not even gonna visit those guys who sacrificed their...

Aha!

Mark G, Friday, 8 March 2019 07:41 (five years ago) link

lol ken starr

Just incredible hearing @JoeLockhart describe the differences between Robert Mueller, who has run the most tight-lipped operation in recent memory, and Ken Starr, who used to address the media from the end of his driveway.

As Lockhart spoke, Starr sat right across from him... pic.twitter.com/BpwuLfMLmR

— Josh Campbell (@joshscampbell) March 8, 2019

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 8 March 2019 13:28 (five years ago) link

Lockhart might as well have blown Ken Starr, if just to repeat the Clinton years.

Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 March 2019 13:49 (five years ago) link

NEW SCOOP: Trump cheered Kraft’s team to Super Bowl victory with founder of spa where he was bustedhttps://t.co/CqsNwdNRqB

— julie k. brown (@jkbjournalist) March 8, 2019

by the light of the burning Citroën, Friday, 8 March 2019 14:15 (five years ago) link

While light sentences aren't going to be surprising in the slightest, I had thought that there would be one fall guy that would receive a heavy sentence for the sake of appearances. But then I'd also thought Manafort might be that guy

It's insane. I wasn't really expecting serious consequences for most of these guys but Manafort is a lifelong criminal and a traitor to this country, who committed crimes while IN JAIL. He forced his wife to have sex with his buddies and his daughters changed their last name because they wanted nothing to do with him. He is the exact opposite of someone who is "otherwise an upstanding person". At this point it's like, why are we even doing any of this if the person who gets the harshest sentence is gonna be Reality Winner?

frogbs, Friday, 8 March 2019 14:15 (five years ago) link

Oh man

when I used to work at investment banks people came to me a lot for exceptions to, like regulatory requirements. It was either always they wanted the "good guy exception" or the "he brings a lot of money to the firm" exception.

Yerac, Friday, 8 March 2019 14:20 (five years ago) link

Reality Winner better get a ticker tape parade when she gets out.

Yerac, Friday, 8 March 2019 14:20 (five years ago) link

wow who would have thought that trump would consort with sexual abusers

oh right everyone

(not dismissing the scoop, just saying he’s a fucking scumbag)

maura, Friday, 8 March 2019 14:29 (five years ago) link

I found the discussion of Manafort's sentence on Twitter last night kind of annoying, not that I disagree with the position at all but there were A LOT of people jumping all over each other to point out that ACTUALLY Manafort's sentence is Fine, the bigger problem is that the entire justice system is insanely unnecessarily punitive. which is totally true, but c'mon guys, can't we all just shit on Manafort for an evening? (have to say I'm very glad to see that's what's happening on this board).

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 8 March 2019 14:33 (five years ago) link

it's true, light sentences for people like Manafort will inevitably lead to reduced sentences for non-white people caught with $5 worth of marijuana

frogbs, Friday, 8 March 2019 15:08 (five years ago) link

The Miami Herald reports:

Seated at a round table littered with party favors and the paper-cutout footballs that have become tradition at his annual Super Bowl Watch Party, President Donald Trump cheered the New England Patriots and his longtime friend, team owner Robert Kraft, to victory over the Los Angeles Rams on Feb. 3.

Sometime during the party at Trump’s West Palm Beach country club, the president turned in his chair to look over his right shoulder, smiling for a photo with two women at a table behind him.

The woman who snapped the blurry Super Bowl selfie with the president was Li Yang, 45, a self-made entrepreneur from China who started a chain of Asian day spas in South Florida. Over the years, these establishments — many of which operate under the name Tokyo Day Spas — have gained a reputation for offering sexual services.

Most Christian president ever.

Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 March 2019 15:40 (five years ago) link

Oh THIS is good:

https://www.axios.com/jared-kushner-ivanka-trump-security-clearance-leak-0a312b92-4a2d-4a70-a7fa-7fb7980d5305.html

The White House this week rejected the committee's request for documents on the process for granting security clearances to staffers.

But the House Oversight Committee in early February had already obtained the leaked documents that detail the entire process, from the spring of 2017 to the spring of 2018, on how both Kushner and Trump were ultimately granted their security clearances.

Kinda brilliant to get Cipollone stonewalling on record only for it to be the case they already had the documents.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 March 2019 15:44 (five years ago) link

lmao at omar’s comments on obama

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Friday, 8 March 2019 15:45 (five years ago) link

I personally wouldn't characterize the situation exactly that way, I think "pretty face and a smile" is a little too glib, but absolutely 100% agree that pushback against Obama's cruelest and most draconian policies is warranted and frankly I'm very grateful to see someone willing to risk being a bit too strident the other way when the vast majority of mainstream liberal discourse bends over backwards to give him a pass.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 8 March 2019 15:52 (five years ago) link

couldn't find a chelsea manning thread, so

Former Army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning has been jailed for refusing to testify to a grand jury investigating Wikileaks.

U.S. District Judge Claude Hilton ordered Manning to jail Friday after a brief hearing in which Manning confirmed she has no intention of testifying. She told the judge she "will accept whatever you bring upon me."

Manning has said she objects to the secrecy of the grand jury process, and that she already revealed everything she knows at her court martial.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/chelsea-manning-jailed-for-refusing-to-testify-on-wikileaks-1.4327902

Simon H., Friday, 8 March 2019 15:55 (five years ago) link

why you gotta bring us down when Paul Manafort's out here living his otherwise blameless life?

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 8 March 2019 15:57 (five years ago) link

mao at omar’s comments on obama

― PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Friday, March 8, 2019 10:45 AM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
for reference

Omar says the “hope and change” offered by Barack Obama was a mirage. Recalling the “caging of kids” at the U.S.-Mexico border and the “droning of countries around the world” on Obama’s watch, she argues that the Democratic president operated within the same fundamentally broken framework as his Republican successor.

“We can’t be only upset with Trump. … His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was,” Omar says. “And that’s not what we should be looking for anymore. We don’t want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished. We want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile.”

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 8 March 2019 15:57 (five years ago) link

My representative!

zama roma ding dong (Eric H.), Friday, 8 March 2019 15:59 (five years ago) link

ilhan omar i luv u

invited to an unexpected ninja presentation (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:03 (five years ago) link

Ilhan Omar is Dr. Morbius and I claim my 5

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:04 (five years ago) link

I really admire Omar's burn it all downess.

Yerac, Friday, 8 March 2019 16:05 (five years ago) link

time is a flat horseshoe

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:08 (five years ago) link


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