US Politics March 2019: “I can’t say I’m happy. I can’t say I’m thrilled”

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I see that a typical response to Omar's criticism of Obama's "mirage" is that he was

wait for it...

NOT PERFECT

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:14 (five years ago) link

not like all those other presidents the movement admires

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:16 (five years ago) link

fuck presidents

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:21 (five years ago) link

People are really weird about Obama. There was a funny moment in the Patriot Act ep about student debt where Minhaj says "Barack Obama" and the audience all cheer. Then Minhaj goes on to explain how Obama helped create the current student debt crisis by making the DoE the lender and subsidizing the debt servicing industry

rob, Friday, 8 March 2019 16:23 (five years ago) link

it's not weird to identify how a pol serves his corporate masters

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:24 (five years ago) link

lol I meant his stans are weird, like they've never looked into a single thing he did in office

rob, Friday, 8 March 2019 16:27 (five years ago) link

but he was a ROCK STAR

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:32 (five years ago) link

that's not really so surprising though given what he represented as the first black president, plus his whole hope + change rhetoric, plus consideration of how most Democrats feel about his predecessor and successor.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:32 (five years ago) link

Obama is still probably the most naturally talented politicians I've ever seen, often he'll give a speech and I'll have to remind myself why I don't really like him

frogbs, Friday, 8 March 2019 16:34 (five years ago) link

it's weird and sorta hilarious how Dubya has been pretty much completely written out of right-wing orthodoxy in the past couple of years. meanwhile Reagan is still lionized. and it seems like the distinction is mostly just a matter of who Trump decided to bash.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:35 (five years ago) link

Reagan was already a sort of fictional character while he was president

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:35 (five years ago) link

exactly

Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:36 (five years ago) link

he may as well have been computer generated

omar little, Friday, 8 March 2019 16:38 (five years ago) link

For the rhetoric course I teach, my students have to analyze five pieces of oratory to see how they observe Ciceronian canons of rhetoric, among which are Reagan's farewell speech from the Oval Office, Trump's inauguration, and Michelle Obama's DNC speech. I played them in class.

I felt distinct waves of discomfort during Trump's; no one wanted to discuss it much. Lots of students know Reagan by name but had never seen him; several praised how "soothing" he sounded, how hopeful (this is the Shining City on the Hill speech). After Michelle O spoke, I felt the love in the room, a sense that Something Had Been Lost.

Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:39 (five years ago) link

xp
The psychology isn't hard to understand--and I agree with frogbs--it's just depressing how knee-jerk the adulation is especially since in my example the context of student debt had already been established.

rob, Friday, 8 March 2019 16:41 (five years ago) link

What the hell:

BREAKING: Pentagon 'Thinks' the Air Force Secretary Has Resigned https://t.co/4v70060eAt

— Katie Bo Williams (@KatieBoWill) March 8, 2019

UPDATE: Air Force officials confirm that Secretary Heather Wilson has submitted resignation and will be accepting a position as president of UT-El Paso. She informed her staff earlier today. According to one member of her staff, nobody knew about this until this morning.

— Sandra Erwin (@Sandra_I_Erwin) March 8, 2019

Bill Shine has quit, per White House. The fox executive didn’t last a year in the West Wing. More to come.

— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) March 8, 2019

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 March 2019 17:02 (five years ago) link

E Pluribus Unum being changed to LOL Nothing Matters

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 8 March 2019 17:03 (five years ago) link

Shucks! I'd just finished Jane Mayer's story about FOX and Bill Shine yesterday!

Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 March 2019 17:06 (five years ago) link

if everyone quits is Trump our king?

rob, Friday, 8 March 2019 17:07 (five years ago) link

whee, typical trump friday

27 Discounts ILXors Get Only If They Know (WmC), Friday, 8 March 2019 17:11 (five years ago) link

He's apparently being routed to a campaign role, but even so.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 March 2019 17:11 (five years ago) link

In baseball analysis there is the concept of "replacement-level players." I'm not sure where the baseline is when the doors revolve so quickly.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 March 2019 17:16 (five years ago) link

“I feel very badly for Paul Manafort,” Mr Trump said. “Both his lawyer, a highly respected man, and a very highly respected judge, the judge, said there was no collusion with Russia. It had nothing with collusion. There was no collusion.

He added: “It’s a collusion hoax, a collusion witch hoax. I don’t collude with Russia. The judge… made the statement that this had nothing to do collusion with Russia.”

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 8 March 2019 17:20 (five years ago) link

it's weird and sorta hilarious how Dubya has been pretty much completely written out of right-wing orthodoxy in the past couple of years. meanwhile Reagan is still lionized. and it seems like the distinction is mostly just a matter of who Trump decided to bash.

This is ahistorical. George W Bush had already been more or less disappeared from the Republican hero chart by 2012. He didn't even go to the GOP convention!

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 8 March 2019 17:22 (five years ago) link

collusion witch hoax

without looking it up I rate the probability at about 20% that there is actually a Guided By Voices album called this

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 8 March 2019 17:22 (five years ago) link

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, I was going to post literally that!

Gary Ornmigh, Heywood's son (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 March 2019 17:26 (five years ago) link

Well, 'song' instead of 'album' so I guess I'm engaging in a witch hoax of my own.

Gary Ornmigh, Heywood's son (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 March 2019 17:27 (five years ago) link

Beat me to it, both of you.

The Vangelis of Dating (Tom D.), Friday, 8 March 2019 17:27 (five years ago) link

The Fall: Live at the Witch Hoaxes

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 March 2019 17:29 (five years ago) link

It just serves to underscore the extent to which his speech has devolved into an almost meaningless patchwork of words. I suppose it's only a matter of time before he starts regularly bringing his very own neologisms into the mix.

Gary Ornmigh, Heywood's son (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 March 2019 17:30 (five years ago) link

a very highly respected judge, the judge,

what a coincidence that this very highly respected judge would be named "the judge"

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 8 March 2019 17:34 (five years ago) link

"devolved"

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 8 March 2019 17:41 (five years ago) link

It's true! My gf noted that Trump sounded almost like a functional human in that Calamari clip from The Apprentice that was floating around last week. He's always been a moron, and especially so since at least the time when he started entertaining political notions, but I think it's safe to say at this point that he's firmly in the 'doddering' phase of his rapid mental decline.

Gary Ornmigh, Heywood's son (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 March 2019 17:56 (five years ago) link

I see that, but must insist on the reams of Sopan Deb transcripts during the 2016 race which gave form to the advanced written Trump impression. The decline over the last three years isn't quite as meteoric as all that.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 8 March 2019 18:01 (five years ago) link

No, I agree, it's isn't meteoric but it is progressive, like the degradation of elastin which with each passing day brings his wizened sac into measurably nearer proximity to the toilet water's surface.

Gary Ornmigh, Heywood's son (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 March 2019 18:15 (five years ago) link

nobody striking imagery that

moose; squirrel (silby), Friday, 8 March 2019 18:16 (five years ago) link

plop plop fizz fizz oh what a relief it is

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 8 March 2019 18:16 (five years ago) link

I still think "Very Rude Elevator Screamers" would make an excellent band name but the downside is it would always remind people of Donald Trump

frogbs, Friday, 8 March 2019 18:38 (five years ago) link

lol

This is one of the most anti-semitic things I’ve ever seen. Also, this reveals so much more about you than it does me... https://t.co/IdfGuWcJZu

— Meghan McCain (@MeghanMcCain) March 8, 2019

frogbs, Friday, 8 March 2019 19:10 (five years ago) link

pic.twitter.com/NiWT6cclPr

— saeen (@_Saeen_) March 8, 2019

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Friday, 8 March 2019 19:11 (five years ago) link

g_d bless eli

maura, Friday, 8 March 2019 19:26 (five years ago) link

He's always been a moron, and especially so since at least the time when he started entertaining political notions

NB: this was 1987

steven, soda jerk (sic), Friday, 8 March 2019 19:33 (five years ago) link

I knew someone would go there, and it's only natural that that someone would be you, friend.

Okay, political notions that didn't include overtures to Oprah as a running mate.

Gary Ornmigh, Heywood's son (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 March 2019 19:37 (five years ago) link

oh, I thought I was agreeing with you

steven, soda jerk (sic), Friday, 8 March 2019 19:43 (five years ago) link

was this before or after the brain spiders

How is ABC Television allowed to have a show entitled "Blackish"? Can you imagine the furor of a show, "Whiteish"! Racism at highest level?

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 1, 2014

frogbs, Friday, 8 March 2019 19:43 (five years ago) link

His political ambitions have always been so thoroughly mixed up with simple self-promotion that even in 2016, after he had the republican nomination, he apparently viewed the election as the world's biggest infomercial on his own behalf.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 8 March 2019 19:46 (five years ago) link

2016, 2019

steven, soda jerk (sic), Friday, 8 March 2019 19:51 (five years ago) link

he literally sends out emails hawking 2020 campaign merch

steven, soda jerk (sic), Friday, 8 March 2019 19:53 (five years ago) link

(well, the royal "he")

steven, soda jerk (sic), Friday, 8 March 2019 19:54 (five years ago) link


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