it's not that weird. this isn't the "donating to the school" thing, it's a fraudulent scheme
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:52 (five years ago) link
yeah they paid off athletic staff and coaches to accept their students as athletes when they weren't. This is above and beyond donating money. It's complete fraud and bribery. Fuck these people.
― akm, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:56 (five years ago) link
there were two options in the scheme. it was always sometype of "purchase." i'm sure they had to change it upa bit from time to time (i'm talking in the past 20 years)to avoid anyone not in on it to discover what wasgoing on.
― John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:56 (five years ago) link
Until then could you focus on your finals!😜 https://t.co/CtrtdIGR9f— Lori Loughlin (@LoriLoughlin) May 13, 2015
― omar little, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:59 (five years ago) link
The above was a lot cheaper than the legal 2.5mil that Kushner's criminal dad donated to Harvard before his acceptance.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:00 (five years ago) link
This thread!
In March 2008, @brianstelter wrote a story for @nytimes about how young people were getting news online. It's a pretty straightforward story — but there's one quote in it that still has an impact on debates about digital journalism today. 1/x https://t.co/3iQoWNHEzf— Joshua Benton (@jbenton) March 12, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:04 (five years ago) link
Whoops!
Felicity Huffman and William H. Macy's bribe to the guy who fixed their daughter's SAT scores was disguised as a charitable donation for "educational programs [for] disadvantaged youth." Charming. pic.twitter.com/HVJYnwqGRU— Angus Johnston (@studentactivism) March 12, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:13 (five years ago) link
I think I'd want a higher score for $15,000.
― jmm, Tuesday, March 12, 2019 9:49 AM (twenty-four minutes ago)
hahaha considering this is the Ivy League thread ... I mean, I got that score when I took the test when I was 13. ... I could definitely use $15,000 rn, they should contact me
― sarahell, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:20 (five years ago) link
haha that's how you do a humblebrag, well played.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:28 (five years ago) link
c'mon, this is the Ivy League thread ... it would be like going on a thread for "defending rich people" and saying your family had a yacht when you were a kid
― sarahell, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:32 (five years ago) link
and then another poster who is also "defending rich ppl" would say, "yes! my family also had a yacht! did you vacation in the hamptons or on martha's vineyard?"
― sarahell, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:33 (five years ago) link
i'm assuming what's not common ishaving another person take the SAT exam in your place.
I’m not sure why this wouldn’t be common when you can make $15k a time and there is barely anything to stop you.
― ShariVari, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:41 (five years ago) link
because it is easier to get caught? this type ofcorruption has been going on since i was a kid.
if you get higher than a specific score (not a high,though), but the board sees potential in you, theycan interview you and re-assess your qualificationsbased on other factors. the problem is the boardchanges every year or so, i believe?
― John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:44 (five years ago) link
I’m assuming this will lead to a crackdown on SAT administrators and low-level admissions staff at universities, and not on the upper echelons of university executives who have known about stuff like this going on for centuries
― but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:44 (five years ago) link
Like, Donald Trump got into the Wharton school at UPenn and did “very very well” even though though he’s clearly one of the dumbest people in North America
― but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:46 (five years ago) link
Ivy League = elaborate scam to make Dartmouth, Cornell and Brown seem like impressive places to have gone to school
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:49 (five years ago) link
yeah, there was talk of this when george w. bush waselected president.
― John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:50 (five years ago) link
I’m not sure it is that easy to get caught if you know what you’re doing, tbh. The College Board aiui has two main security mechanisms - ID check on the day and access to test-taker photographs in the event of any post-test query about identity. They’re both easily circumvented if you just find someone who looks sufficiently similar to you. Xps
― ShariVari, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:51 (five years ago) link
hahaha considering this is the Ivy League thread ...
ha, sorry, I wasn't being serious. ftr, I didn't take the SAT or go to a fancy school.
― jmm, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:52 (five years ago) link
According to his personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, Trump threatened to sue Wharton and UPenn if they released his grades, so "very very well" rests upon the word of a serial liar. However, I am willing to believe Trump is regressing and is measurably dumber now than when he was a young man.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:55 (five years ago) link
Okay so here's a good story on the goon who founded/ran this whole scam:
https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article227457069.html
Among other things:
Singer in 1988 was fired as boys basketball coach of Encina High School, with a district spokesman at the time only referring to it as a“personnel matter.” The Bee reported at the time that parents said Singer had an abusive nature toward referees.In the early 90s, Sacramento Bee archives show Singer was an assistant coach for Sacramento State’s men’s basketball team.
In the early 90s, Sacramento Bee archives show Singer was an assistant coach for Sacramento State’s men’s basketball team.
And of course though he's from Sacramento the scam was based out of Newport Beach. Why WOULDN'T it be based out of Newport Beach?
Also, the dude looks like this:
https://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/n6py9w/picture227458594/alternates/FREE_768/Rick-Singer.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 19:17 (five years ago) link
He looks like sherbet.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 19:19 (five years ago) link
burt bacharach, no!
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 19:21 (five years ago) link
This is extremely depressing. The kid wants to keep testing until she scores well, but the mom is like ‘let’s cheat so I don’t have to deal with that.' pic.twitter.com/CqxT4BrdRT— Barry Petchesky (@barry) March 12, 2019
― ShariVari, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 19:31 (five years ago) link
Lol. Here we don't have SATs nor entrance exams. So you enroll and prove your worth. (Which I did not do: college dropout. Lol)
― nathom, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 19:57 (five years ago) link
Is it bad that my takeaway from this whole thing is "lol Yale"?
― GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 20:07 (five years ago) link
"lol Yale" would be a more defensible takeaway if you had not gone to Harvard.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 20:15 (five years ago) link
harvard alumni can definitely say "lol Yale". they just need to 'power pose' and accept a useless heart stem cell injection while they say it.
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 20:25 (five years ago) link
itt Aimless fundamentally misunderstands school rivalries
― GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 20:26 (five years ago) link
I went to Berkeley and even I know Yale is the school of celebrities and rich kids and Harvard is a real university.
― akm, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 20:27 (five years ago) link
here's my quick ranking of the ivy leagues from most to least comprehensively objectionable
YalePrincetonHarvardDartmouthPennColumbiaCornellBrown
― moose; squirrel (silby), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 20:28 (five years ago) link
caveat is if I lived in Providence I would probably object to Brown a whole lot
my main reaction was being afraid this was done for me on my behalf and I didn't actually earn the scores on the SAT I thought I did; it would certainly explain a lot
― theorizing your yells (katherine), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 20:28 (five years ago) link
A true winner today:
If only there was a succinct turn of phrase these kids could have used to inform their parents they were not desirous of their life path... https://t.co/cxOTDI5J1B— James Van Der Beek (@vanderjames) March 12, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 20:47 (five years ago) link
nah. you arrived at "lol Yale" decades before this story broke, so your professed "takeaway" was not taken from, but brought to the whole thing.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 20:54 (five years ago) link
here's my quick ranking of the ivy leagues from most to least comprehensively objectionableYalePrincetonHarvardDartmouthPennColumbiaCornellBrown― moose; squirrel (silby), Tuesday, March 12, 2019 1:28 PM (four hours ago
― moose; squirrel (silby), Tuesday, March 12, 2019 1:28 PM (four hours ago
lol so proud to be an alumna of the least objectionable Ivy
― sarahell, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 00:33 (five years ago) link
ty for using 'alumna' correctly. even the ivy league schools' branded and trademarked gift shop items (bumper stickers, sweatshirts, etc.) tend to use "alumnus" for both men and women and for both singular and plural.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 03:10 (five years ago) link
If you still have to learn Latin, then what's the point of paying someone off?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 12:06 (five years ago) link
The whole story is so nuts to me. They didn't buy degrees; they just bought admission, which doesn't seem like it guarantees much. Presumably, they would keep paying that kind of money for good grades? And to what end? The kids of millionaire celebrities and businessmen are not lacking for money and connections. Just to be able to say your kid got into Yale? That's worth six to seven figures?
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 13:09 (five years ago) link
"Just to be able to say your kid got into Yale? That's worth six to seven figures?"
I mean, yeah, the root of this is vanity more than anything
― circa1916, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 13:18 (five years ago) link
Also, if you're a well-connected person at a school like Yale, you are going to have the opportunity to ride the coattails of other well-connected people into ventures with a possible upside of well over six to seven figures.
― GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 13:26 (five years ago) link
For sure. Plus, what this scam/ruse lays bare is that the bar to get into some of these schools is much higher than the bar to graduation. You basically need to be an A student to get in, but you don't need to do A-grade work to graduate.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 13:31 (five years ago) link
this is what i was getting at yesterday:https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/college-cheating-scandal-an-admissions-officer-speaks-out.html
Not infrequently, I would pull up a student’s file, see my “Defer” or “Deny” recommendation, and then a second reviewer recommending the same thing, and then a high-ranking admissions staff member would flip the decision to admit. Usually, the justification would be a brief couple of sentences with purposefully vague language, like “Student has struggled with math sequence but should be fine with on campus tutoring resources, ADMIT.” I saw these decisions flipped frequently for students from affluent backgrounds, and rarely for students who’d applied for financial aid. Once, I saw a student who fell far below our clearly outlined admissions requirements admitted — this student was heir to a popular processed-meat company’s fortune.Although our school advertised our “holistic” review process, our director typically used test scores to screen applicants. His rationale was that these were “riskier” students. The only time he didn’t? If the student could pay full price to attend our institution, or a “full pay” student. He was not coy about this fact, and would frequently make comments about how students from Silicon Valley could “afford” to come here. When I planned my recruitment trip in California, I was given an Excel spreadsheet that listed high schools by average household income.
Although our school advertised our “holistic” review process, our director typically used test scores to screen applicants. His rationale was that these were “riskier” students. The only time he didn’t? If the student could pay full price to attend our institution, or a “full pay” student. He was not coy about this fact, and would frequently make comments about how students from Silicon Valley could “afford” to come here. When I planned my recruitment trip in California, I was given an Excel spreadsheet that listed high schools by average household income.
― John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 14:39 (five years ago) link
processed meat scion tyler hormel
― j., Wednesday, 13 March 2019 14:48 (five years ago) link
yeah, another article I was reading was saying that full pay, white men were highly sought after since demographics of colleges had been skewing more female.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 15:05 (five years ago) link
Eh, full pay, full stop more like. Up until maybe very recently University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign had something like 6000 Chinese students, over 10% of the student body, because reportedly students from China were more likely to pay full price.
Isn't Tucker Carlson literally an heir to a processed meat fortune?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 15:27 (five years ago) link
It means nothing but the difference between Laughlin and Luke Perry struck me. They were both on foolish programs but Laughlin seemed content to cash the check while Perry wanted to be an actor.— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) March 13, 2019
― Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 16:52 (five years ago) link
my other main thought about this is that people are still shocked that the millennial generation is having fewer children. having children means subjecting them to this shit
― theorizing your yells (katherine), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 17:10 (five years ago) link
(well, not *always*, but for people who want their children to attend college)
― theorizing your yells (katherine), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 17:11 (five years ago) link
i thought it was because millenials have an absurd amount of student loan debt compared to the relative value of their college educations
― sarahell, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 17:31 (five years ago) link