Quentin Tarantino's Manson murders movie

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regarding his latest movies, I really enjoyed Death Proof, liked some moments in IB and Django was OK.
I haven't bothered watching The Hateful Eight...
Overall, at this point, I think my favourite movies of his are Jacky Brown and Death Proof.

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 21 March 2019 10:38 (five years ago) link

He's crying at the end because he's a conceited actor

I thought it might be that he's a stuntman who's overcome by someone taking him seriously, even if it looks to be by a 10-year-old.

Anyway, for all the Manson talks, I get the impression it's mostly a movie about...making movies?

Same impression.

clemenza, Thursday, 21 March 2019 11:26 (five years ago) link

Brad is the stuntman, Leo is the actor

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 21 March 2019 11:28 (five years ago) link

Oops. Not so puzzling anymore.

clemenza, Thursday, 21 March 2019 11:42 (five years ago) link

I really liked Death Proof at the time. Besides jibing (again at the time) with my appreciation for boring for boring's sake, it contains one of my favorite visual jokes, when this hard-boiled gritty '70s pastiche spills over into the contemporary world, and this grimy muscle car chase starts sharing the road with mundane minivans. Don't know if it was intentional, but I could have sworn the movie itself also shifts from affectations like fake film artifacts to something clearer and more pristine, too, but tbh I just saw it once.

IB, I pretty much like all the parts that don't involve Brad Pitt and his titular rag-tag crew. I also appreciate the cathartic audacity of its conclusion.

Django and Hateful Eight I thought were indulgent and offensive and stupid and lazy.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 March 2019 12:13 (five years ago) link

Yeah, this seems to me to be less "a Manson Murders movie" and more "a Hollywood 1969 movie which happens to include the Family." I wonder if Tarantino has read this book, Creepy Crawling: Charles Manson and the Many Lives of America's Most Infamous Family -- it's a kind of anti-Joan Didion look at not just Manson, but out how the counterculture generally, and the Family specifically, easily insinuated itself into the movie and music industries in the late 60s, and how quickly everyone shut the gates and stopped "slumming" after the murders. (Terry Melcher, e.g., was a *lot* more involved with the Family then he let on later, and at one point was interested in having Sandra Good move into his house and act as an, um, "domestic servant" to him and Candace Bergen.)

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Thursday, 21 March 2019 12:16 (five years ago) link

Kind of surprised Dennis Wilson isn't popping up in this actually

Number None, Thursday, 21 March 2019 12:28 (five years ago) link

I suspect there's no way his estate would let them use his name, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a Wilson-like character show up.

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Thursday, 21 March 2019 12:38 (five years ago) link

Or Papa John Phillips, the Wolf King of LA.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 March 2019 13:14 (five years ago) link

I wonder if Tarantino has read this book, Creepy Crawling: Charles Manson and the Many Lives of America's Most Infamous Family

Jeffrey Melnick's book--read it over the summer.

clemenza, Thursday, 21 March 2019 16:47 (five years ago) link

What the heck is this movie even about? It looks fun, but I'm worried it will deal with the Manson story in a weird and superficial way.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, March 21, 2019 4:55 AM (yesterday)

Can he actually do this story justice or is it going to just be a bunch of wish fulfillment nonsense?

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, March 21, 2019 5:00 AM (yesterday)

Are there any indications that this is "about" the Manson murders, rather than adjacent?

― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, March 21, 2019 5:17 AM (yesterday)

It seems to be less about Manson than I maybe thought. And I didn't get the final thing where the girl whispers to DiCaprio that he's a great actor, and DiCaprio starts crying. So it left me a little puzzled, and that's better than a trailer that spells out the film from start to finish.

― clemenza, Thursday, March 21, 2019 11:47 AM (yesterday)

Anyway, for all the Manson talks, I get the impression it's mostly a movie about... making movies ?

― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, March 21, 2019 9:23 PM (yesterday)

Yeah, this seems to me to be less "a Manson Murders movie" and more "a Hollywood 1969 movie which happens to include the Family." I wonder if Tarantino has read this book, Creepy Crawling: Charles Manson and the Many Lives of America's Most Infamous Family -- it's a kind of anti-Joan Didion look at not just Manson, but out how the counterculture generally, and the Family specifically, easily insinuated itself into the movie and music industries in the late 60s, and how quickly everyone shut the gates and stopped "slumming" after the murders. (Terry Melcher, e.g., was a *lot* more involved with the Family then he let on later, and at one point was interested in having Sandra Good move into his house and act as an, um, "domestic servant" to him and Candace Bergen.)

― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Thursday, March 21, 2019 11:16 PM (yesterday)

As far as I can tell, the entirety of Tarantino's public statements are:

in November 2017, on the then-untitled film: It’s not Charles Manson, it’s 1969." cautioned Quentin Tarantino

February 2018 press release announcing title Once Upon A Time In Hollywood: Tarantino describes it as “a story that takes place in Los Angeles in 1969, at the height of hippy Hollywood. The two lead characters are Rick Dalton, former star of a western TV series, and his longtime stunt double Cliff Booth. Both are struggling to make it in a Hollywood they don’t recognize anymore. But Rick has a very famous next-door neighbor…Sharon Tate.”

“I’ve been working on this script for five years, as well as living in Los Angeles County most of my life, including in 1969, when I was seven years old. I’m very excited to tell this story of an LA and a Hollywood that don’t exist anymore. And I couldn’t be happier about the dynamic teaming of DiCaprio & Pitt as Rick & Cliff.”

Tarantino in April 2018: the film is set in LA at the height of the counterculture revolution and of New Hollywood; there are two leads and everyone else are interweaving characters somewhat in the style of Pulp Fiction.

can we retire this "hmm how will he handle this deep biographical examination of the Manson Family??!" handwringing itt?

steven, soda jerk (sic), Thursday, 21 March 2019 18:34 (five years ago) link

tbf this thread kicked off w/ an article titled "Quentin Tarantino Prepping New Movie Tackling Manson Murders" during a time QT was screening that Manson doc and peddling his weird conspiracy theories

heinrich boll weevil (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 21 March 2019 19:11 (five years ago) link

not sure that QT can pull of a manson biopic

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 21 March 2019 19:20 (five years ago) link

I'm guessing Tarantino has been quite content to let the Manson hand-wringing proceed a pace.

clemenza, Thursday, 21 March 2019 19:38 (five years ago) link

nah I think he can do it, Roman Polanski is gonna machine-gun Charlie to death and be carried shoulder-high down Hollywood Boulevard

steven, soda jerk (sic), Thursday, 21 March 2019 19:39 (five years ago) link

i think it’ll be dope

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 March 2019 05:21 (five years ago) link

cannot WAIT for Lena Dunham as a gypsy

I believe she is playing a Mansonite named Gypsy?

There wasn't even a "Hollywood" by 1969.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 March 2019 11:35 (five years ago) link

huh?

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 March 2019 15:06 (five years ago) link

Hollywood in the '30s/'40s sense of the word--primarily the studio system--was gone almost two decades by 1969.

clemenza, Friday, 22 March 2019 18:52 (five years ago) link

Isn’t that exactly what sic’s quotes are saying?

A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Friday, 22 March 2019 18:56 (five years ago) link

a story that takes place in Los Angeles in 1969, at the height of hippy Hollywood. The two lead characters are Rick Dalton, former star of a western TV series, and his longtime stunt double Cliff Booth. Both are struggling to make it in a Hollywood they don’t recognize anymore.

A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Friday, 22 March 2019 18:57 (five years ago) link

More like HollyWEIRD, amirite?

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 22 March 2019 19:01 (five years ago) link

Hollywood in the '30s/'40s sense of the word--primarily the studio system--was gone almost two decades by 1969.

― clemenza, Friday, March 22, 2019 6:52 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

strictly speaking there was never a singular "hollywood" identical to the motion picture industry, b/c studio facilities and offices were spread out across urban los angeles (as they are today). "hollywood" was always a casual bit of synecdoche.

in other words, 1969 is different to 1939, no doubt. 2019 is different to 1969, as well. and yet people have used the term "hollywood" as a synonym for the U.S. film (and, by the '50s at the latest, TV) industry since the 1910s and through to the present, with minimal misunderstanding. tarantino's movie takes place w/in the industry. so what exactly is the problem?

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 March 2019 19:04 (five years ago) link

a burbank they don't recognize anymore

difficult listening hour, Friday, 22 March 2019 20:12 (five years ago) link

Keep Hollyweird weird

calstars, Friday, 22 March 2019 21:01 (five years ago) link

"once upon a time in century city"

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 March 2019 21:13 (five years ago) link

Can’t wait for this. Damn, it’s even made me want to watch death proof for gosh sake

calstars, Friday, 22 March 2019 21:39 (five years ago) link

Death Proof is good if you like either car chases or Tarantino hang-out dialogue (nb: haven't seen the extended DVD version, saw Grindhouse in 2007 and 2017). better than Django, maybe better than Inglorious.

steven, soda jerk (sic), Friday, 22 March 2019 22:21 (five years ago) link

The sign said HOLLYWOODLAND until 1949, i'm not sure i realised it was so recently that they changed it.

The sign was at its most dilapidated in the late 70s;

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Hullywod-Sign.jpg

piscesx, Friday, 22 March 2019 22:33 (five years ago) link

I'll watch a couple movies made in Hollyweird in 1969 while youse guys are at this

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 March 2019 22:56 (five years ago) link

not a good year tbh.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 March 2019 23:41 (five years ago) link

they shoot horses, don't they?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 March 2019 23:53 (five years ago) link

In what universe is Death Proof better than IB or even Django ferchristsake?

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 23 March 2019 02:06 (five years ago) link

I'll take Death Proof over Django any day

Simon H., Saturday, 23 March 2019 02:07 (five years ago) link

[23,200 posts on which is tarantino's worst movie]

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Saturday, 23 March 2019 02:15 (five years ago) link

Basterds, Django, and Eight all seem forced to me. excited for this one cause it seems more casual, shooting for a lower bar maybe

calstars, Saturday, 23 March 2019 02:29 (five years ago) link

In what universe

I haven't rewatched Basterds, so I'm unsure of its specific placing among the lower ranks; Django is the only QT I think is bad.

steven, soda jerk (sic), Saturday, 23 March 2019 03:10 (five years ago) link

Death Proof had a lot of weak spots but the car crash sequence that closes the first half is really close to peak Tarantino.

omar little, Saturday, 23 March 2019 04:29 (five years ago) link

The creep if weak, overly indulgent Tarantino dialogue is all there in Death Proof but the car stuff is so good I can forgive it.

circa1916, Saturday, 23 March 2019 04:31 (five years ago) link

as my friend has observed:

"What kind of movies does Tarantino like?

CRAP.

And that's FINE.

But HOW LONG is the crap that he likes? 82 minutes."

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 23 March 2019 05:59 (five years ago) link

Yeah I mean it’s not an uncommon opinion that things went downhill after his longtime editor passed away.

circa1916, Saturday, 23 March 2019 07:12 (five years ago) link

what crap movies does tarantino like? i mean, jack hill movies are rough around the edges, but i wouldn't say they were crap. and certainly the classic hollywood and asian action films he appreciates aren't crap. or pabst or, heck, doesn't he pretty much like everything? (except john ford, i suppose.) i remember ray carney publishing some idiotic thing in the baffler a million years ago about how tarantino represented a debased culture since he was basing his aesthetic on trash and it was a tiresome argument then. that doesn't mean everything t touches turns to gold, not hardly.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Saturday, 23 March 2019 07:26 (five years ago) link

Finding gold in trash is... his thing. He’s not oblivious to or unappreciative of the classics either, obviously. The marriage of high/low is the appeal. I don’t know why this needs to be talked about in 2019 but hey Morbs.

circa1916, Saturday, 23 March 2019 07:38 (five years ago) link

I just want to say that John Ford was an excellent filmmaker

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 23 March 2019 11:24 (five years ago) link

yeah, he wrote a thing for his rep theater's site about how great Ulzana's Raid is (true!) but bashing Ford's Fort Apache.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 23 March 2019 13:27 (five years ago) link

it's incredible to me how many typos and grammar mistakes are in anything tarantino writes. i guess this has been known for a while. is he dyslexic?

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Saturday, 23 March 2019 17:15 (five years ago) link

yes

Number None, Saturday, 23 March 2019 17:19 (five years ago) link

I don't love Tarantino, but I don't completely hate him, either. To me, his films are a bit thin on heavy ideas, and they throw a lot of style at you. But on second thought, I'll bet that like me he's read a lot of the Manson material and felt there was a mystique there, or a lot of nagging questions, when you read all that stuff, you feel unsatisfied (they're all about the gore and the beautiful people who died), and maybe, like the Aquarius thing, getting into the milieu around Manson might give you a more complete sense of what was going on in LA back then. Maybe that's more of what I'm looking for, so I'll def watch it.

The thing I hate about Manson movies is that the dudes never look like Manson, but this one does, and I always find that distracting. The other movies make Manson too Jesus-like.

i don't read novels. i prefer good literary criticism. (I M Losted), Saturday, 23 March 2019 18:13 (five years ago) link

But HOW LONG is the crap that he likes? 82 minutes.

nah, I saw The Hallelujah Trail at the New Bev

steven, soda jerk (sic), Saturday, 23 March 2019 18:20 (five years ago) link


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