US Politics March 2019: “I can’t say I’m happy. I can’t say I’m thrilled”

Xpost those people were going to vote for him regardless. Even if he went to a National Park and tried to fuck a tree

ESPECIALLY if, who among us hasn't etc.

fucking a tree would honestly be the high point of Trump's presidency

Perhaps the lack of indictments at federal level is the only sane response to the problem of 45 pardoning individuals as they happen? NY courts can do their worst, though.

or maybe a lifelong republican lawman who helped make the case for the Iraq war and never flinched at expanding surveillance of us citizens was never gonna sink a republican president anyway

^^^^

This. Plus Manafort and others blocked access and covered up

Yea I'm officially done with speculation for the weekend.

" Trump can be indicted as soon as he is out of office?"

I can't see this happening, just as it didn't happen to Cheney or Rumsfeld or Bush.

of all the takes i see, the "he didn't indict because he's gop" is one of the less convincing.

rather thought that figuring out one russia-related conspiracy-- at least to alter the gop platform, e.g.-- would be do-able, but i have not followed manafort issue closely enough.

mills of justice: slow. mills of injustice: also pretty slow, if there's rules and shit.

if we just got rid of the law, maybe god would move faster.

he didn’t indict because there was no collusion obv

I really wonder what those fools who in all seriousness thought Mueller would direct a "SWAT" team up the Truman Balcony are doing now.

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) March 22, 2019

there's definitely a little fanfic in this thread. mueller would not have withheld indictments simply because he figured NY would do it instead. if his team thought there was reason to indict, he would have indicted. so what we got, we got.

Still it is a bit dumb to already be reacting like we know the contents of the report. We just know no more indictments.

DJT himself was never going to be indicted, his kids should have been, but this report could still take a steaming shit on him a or suggest that he obstructed justice without recommending indictment because he's a sitting President (I think it's a long shot but hey, we all said with certainty that Mueller would be fired 73 times)

I read somewhere that DOJ policy forbids him from focusing in the report on people he isn’t going to indict.

Even if there was a ton of evidence that fell juuuuust short of enough to indict, because he isn’t being charged with a crime, it gets thrown out as irrelevant in the final report.

Mueller's job wasn't to indict, it was to investigate. All the indictments he pursued were to obtain cooperation with the investigation. Presumably, he and his office decided that he had sufficient evidence without an indictment (on his part) of Kushner, Trump et al.

To my knowledge, his remit didn't extend far enough from Russiagate to investigate the nefarious shit Kushner has been doing with the UAE and Sauds. That MF may be the worst of the lot.

So the report will include everything he found?

Even if he didn’t decide it was criminal?

I feel extremely depressed.

I'm with Sanpaku. As I read it (with lots of added conjecture) Mueller played it the exact opposite of Starr, by sticking strictly to investigating Russian interference. Where he uncovered evidence of crimes outside his investigative sphere he either used them to obtain cooperation or he passed off the evidence to other prosecutors for further investigation or indictments. It is also very possible that one or more sealed indictments exist.

The near-instantaneous 'leak' that "no further indictments were recommended" was carefully worded, as most such manipulative leaks are, to suggest much more than it says. It seems wise to presume that the conclusions it wants you to draw are a misdirection from the truth.

It is also very possible that one or more sealed indictments exist.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/22/special-counsel-mueller-has-no-sealed-indictments-as-russia-probe-ends-nbc-news.html

Special counsel Robert Mueller has concluded his investigation and will not file any more indictments in connection with his inquiry into Russian interference in the 2016 campaign, NBC News reports, citing a senior U.S. law enforcement official.

There are no sealed indictments.

It is possible that leads uncovered during the special counsel’s inquiry and handed off could lead to charges brought by state prosecutors or other parts of the Department of Justice.

Lame

Maybe mueller was the best thing to happen to trump

cmon son

i too am disappointed and plan on drinking a lot tonight, again.

however, i will hold off on the true bender until we find out what's actually in the report. because, c'mon.

although i will hold off on the true bender, i will not hold off on idle speculation to make myself feel better. here goes:

last night i was mad about don jr et al not being indicted when they have clearly participated in conspiratorial activity. but there are other ongoing investigations, in some cases referred by the mueller investigation, that would be able to pursue those convictions in a way that can't be immediately overturned by a pardon.

also, i think it's notable that trump hasn't tweeted in 23 hours, when in previous weekends he's tweeted like FIFTY TIMES A DAY or some shit. that suggests to me that he's not absolutely sure that he and his family are in the clear yet with these investigations, and/or that he's not sure if the report will make him look like complete dogshit while not actually recommending criminal charges.

Maybe mueller was the best thing to happen to trump

Mueller's investigation led to busting Cohen and gaining his full cooperation. His trove of evidence may be the wedge that pries opens the books of Trump Organization. Nothing is over, yet. Where it ends is still unknown.

The point of the Mueller investigation was never about indicting Trump. It is part of a larger intelligence gathering operation re: Russia.

Federal and state prosecutors are pursuing about a dozen other investigations that largely grew out of his work, all but ensuring that a legal threat will continue to loom over the Trump presidency. https://t.co/NJv71GOxmA

— Adam Goldman (@adamgoldmanNYT) March 23, 2019

Treeship, really?

I know

not sure if the report will make him look like complete dogshit while not actually recommending criminal charges.

Barr would do his damnedest to bury any such parts of Mueller's report, and justify it by citing Justice Department policy against revealing prejudicial evidence that might undermine the reputation of individuals who will not be indicted. That is generally a good and wise policy, but coupled with the Justice Department opinion that a president can never be indicted, it is a recipe for protecting presidents who have committed "high crimes and misdemeanors".

Aimless is right:

The near-instantaneous 'leak' that "no further indictments were recommended" was carefully worded, as most such manipulative leaks are, to suggest much more than it says. It seems wise to presume that the conclusions it wants you to draw are a misdirection from the truth.

― A is for (Aimless),

What's most likely is that Mueller has chummed the water for state prosecutors for years to come.

It seems like he played this well. Made “no collusiom” the sticking point—moved the goalposts to a place where he actually might have been innocent—and now he can plausibly (to anyone half-sympathetic) play up that he was the target of a witch hunt.

and how would THAT have changed if Mueller had given you the results you wanted?

If he gets arrested when leaving office at age 9 million in 2024 who cares really

He got his time torturing the country every day

You are at this point in this turd's presidency inordinately concerned with the consciences of Trump voters who can't be turned and can never be trusted.

You're becoming emotionally incontinent, treesh.

from the front page NYT story:

Even as the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, submitted his confidential report to the Justice Department on Friday, federal and state prosecutors are pursuing about a dozen other investigations that largely grew out of his work, all but ensuring that a legal threat will continue to loom over the Trump presidency.

Most of the investigations focus on President Trump or his family business or a cadre of his advisers and associates, according to court records and interviews with people briefed on the investigations. They are being conducted by officials from Los Angeles to Brooklyn, with about half of them being run by the United States attorney’s office in Manhattan.

Unlike Mr. Mueller, whose mandate was largely focused on any links between the Trump campaign and the Russian government’s interference in the 2016 presidential election, the federal prosecutors in Manhattan take an expansive view of their jurisdiction. That authority has enabled them, along with F.B.I. agents, to scrutinize a broader orbit around the president, including his family business.

I just don’t want another four years of this. In addition to pursuing frightening, destructive, and racist policy, he is sowing paranoia and division among his followers, fueling recism and extremism, and making a mockery out of our entire system of government. The last point might not sound as serious but it adds a sense of comic hopelessness to the whole nightmare.

so vote him out

yeah come on treeship, make your vote worth a bunch of electoral votes and then vote him out

then call your representative in NYC and make sure that they don't like trump. being NYC, i'm sure they're all about trump. you have to change their mind so he'll lose the election

your emotional reaction to president biff from back to the future II is invalid

yeah come on treeship, make your vote worth a bunch of electoral votes and then vote him out

― but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Saturday, March 23, 2019 7:24 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

move you and your clan to wyoming, maybe? or idaho?

Lol my clan

also, i think it's notable that trump hasn't tweeted in 23 hours, when in previous weekends he's tweeted like FIFTY TIMES A DAY or some shit. that suggests to me that he's not absolutely sure that he and his family are in the clear yet with these investigations, and/or that he's not sure if the report will make him look like complete dogshit while not actually recommending criminal charges.

Who cares? He’s a monster

if you want to barf all over the place, i recommend this piece: https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/23/politics/donald-trump-mar-a-lago-robert-mueller/index.html

xp

Yeah i read that. He was basking in the sunlight on the patio or something