one more thing - when Hillary Clinton was cleared of email crimes by the FBI the response was NOTHING like this
― frogbs, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:09 (five years ago) link
NYT front page deep-dive today suggests future presidents (if any) will now see fed law enforcement as their personal tool, and will never be in danger of "obstructing justice"
thx Mueller
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:13 (five years ago) link
presidents can still be charged with obstruction if they committed the underlying crime of the inquiry, i guess.
i think it's a weird argument. he was obstructing an inquiry into anything to do with his campaign and possible bribes and improper lobbying and whatever because he likely had NO IDEA what was legal and what wasn't. the fact that he wasn't guilty of conspiracy doesn't mean he was "innocent" of the "underlying charges" *he* was trying to obstruct. he is only innocent of the charge mueller was mandated to prove. but the spinoffs that his investigation yielded--that is also stuff he was trying to block.
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 15:22 (five years ago) link
so he did obstruct justice into things for which he may still be guilty. mueller should have asked me for advice on this one before submitting to barr.
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 15:24 (five years ago) link
i still agree with the emerging consensus that mainstream center-right and center-left journalism embarrassed themselves badly by falling in love with the spy narrative. with the exception of people like schiff, though, i don't think leaders in the democratic party ever became quite so enamored.
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 15:27 (five years ago) link
Being reported that grand jury is still active? That plus other open doors is ... curious.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:01 (five years ago) link
The story, as Mueller uncovered it, is still a ‘spy narrative’. It’s a story about Russias intelligence service hacking the Democrats and giving it to WikiLeaks. And what's most infuriating about Taibbi and Greenwald is that they denied all along that Russian intelligence was behind the whole thing, and now play 'I TOLD YOU SO' anyway. They are just shameless liars, that's just all there is to it.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:05 (five years ago) link
tell me a story
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:06 (five years ago) link
maybe we could wait to see the full report before deciding who "embarrassed themselves" on this issue
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:13 (five years ago) link
Xpost Is it the one about General Lee's heart condition again
― Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:15 (five years ago) link
ilx centrists:
Hang in there, patriots. Let the process play out. :-)— Counterchekist (@counterchekist) March 27, 2019
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:16 (five years ago) link
ffs
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:16 (five years ago) link
jfc
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:17 (five years ago) link
Imo everybody should be mandated yo shut up for a week
― Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:17 (five years ago) link
now that nerdstrom's gone i don't think there are any ilx centrists (idk what fred is other than european)
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:19 (five years ago) link
greenwald has shown himself to be a huge piece of shit and an idiot multiple times, why any of you give a shit about anything he says is beyond me (i know morbs is incapable of relinquishing his faves)
I'm guessing I have the most consistent far-left voting record of anyone on this thread. But I do hate American leftists.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:20 (five years ago) link
I'm guessing I have the most consistent far-left voting record of anyone on this thread
lmao never change
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:21 (five years ago) link
LOL Fred.
― Don't Go Back to Brockville (Tom D.), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:22 (five years ago) link
sorry, that was a trolly post.
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:23 (five years ago) link
but I'm glad it provoked that classic fred
I still don't know why I should be expecting the full report to be significantly more interesting or damming than the summary suggests
― Simon H., Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:25 (five years ago) link
because that's all there is to hold on to?
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:25 (five years ago) link
and barr is a republican baddy (but mueller is not)
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:26 (five years ago) link
Yes Fred show us yr US votimg history
― Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:26 (five years ago) link
xp. n.b. i am not calling barr a "baddy" in the parlance of our times
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:27 (five years ago) link
Again, the "baddie" is an old friend of Mueller's.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:31 (five years ago) link
Also, Mueller is a registered Republican iirc
― Simon H., Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:32 (five years ago) link
But..you don't have to be a baddie to move faster to 'tip' the scale slightly into the direction he and Rosenstein landed on.
If they had charged him with obstruction Trump would have fired both and made it easy for us.
― Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:33 (five years ago) link
Mueller i think did a good job
― Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:34 (five years ago) link
i know morbs is incapable of relinquishing his faves
i will not litigate yr 5-star review of Jacob's fucking Ladder
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:36 (five years ago) link
The summary suggests the report to be plenty damning and embarrassing? It explicitly says it's not exonerating. It's just not incriminating either, which might be surprising to some, but ok.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:37 (five years ago) link
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, March 27, 2019 10:36 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it's a fucking politics thread morbs, i continue to not give a shit what you think about my taste in movies
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:39 (five years ago) link
https://thenib.imgix.net/usq/4ca76840-4ade-48a7-a96f-1d43944a59d7/the-collusion-delusion-2-0c6.png
me itt
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:40 (five years ago) link
oh lol i forgot the nib treats their comic panels as separate pngs, anyway that's not me
Lol
― Simon H., Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:41 (five years ago) link
― Simon H.,
This is what I don't get. Mueller writes a report, then Barr misrepresents the contents, and Mueller just goes sure dog whatever?
― anvil, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:46 (five years ago) link
There surely can't be people who still think there is anything of consequence in that report or that anything is going to result from it idgi
― anvil, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:47 (five years ago) link
how big is Maddow's cult?
i don't give a shit what you think my poli-pundit "faves" are, Braddykins
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:48 (five years ago) link
Is Mueller even allowed to publicly dispute that
― Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:48 (five years ago) link
Hang in there, patriots. Let the process play out. :-)
The process is a lengthy frustrating mess, constantly manipulated or delayed, with no guarantee the results will resemble anything like truth or justice. But the only alterative to the current process** that I can see is rioting in the streets and I am too old for that.
**nb: the current process includes vigorously browbeating a reluctant Congress into activity and working to dominate the next election cycle.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:49 (five years ago) link
Re: "Maddow's cult", viewership supposedly plunged half a mil this week
― Simon H., Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:52 (five years ago) link
Like the point isn't that Mueller's report was "lol perpwalk these motherbitches" and Barr put whiteout all over it. But that perhaps the body of data was more like "some very concerning things were found but it is impossible to prove intentional collusion" or "there could have been obstruction but it's difficult to prove intent" vs "nothing to see here"
― Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:52 (five years ago) link
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, March 27, 2019 10:48 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
cool, maybe next time don't bring up my letterboxd reviews here bc you're incapable of having a discussion where you're not convinced of your own superiority
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:53 (five years ago) link
― Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Wednesday, March 27, 2019 1:48 PM (three minutes ago)
congress can call on him to testify, can't they?
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:53 (five years ago) link
Yeah absolutely...and probably will be called. I just don't think right now he can call NYT and say "about that report...."
But idk for sure
― Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:54 (five years ago) link
Damn! Ok fair enough so there have been some consequences
― anvil, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:54 (five years ago) link
afaik Mueller no longer holds any defined position in government and therefore is free to publically discuss anything not officially classified as secret by law or by the courts. But he's not going to go out of his way to make any public statements unless he is asked to testify before Congress. He will do everything by the book.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:59 (five years ago) link
Why didn’t mueller subpoena trump?
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 19:00 (five years ago) link
yeah, that I don't understand
― Dan S, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 19:02 (five years ago) link