2020 Democratic presidential primary

though i definitely understand the urge to protect any innocent ears from hearing Bill Maher speak

the problem w/ these appearances is when lib shmuck agrees to play the foil in pseduo "debate"

Bernie wld seem insulated from that in town hall format, he can just hold forth, what's the downside?

Context matters, and I can imagine Bernie's wild-haired white man shouting schtick explaining democratic socialism working on FOX.

WaPo has a handy new breakdown/questionnaire for all candidates on M4A / health care legislation generally

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/policy-2020/medicare-for-all/

Fuck Mayor Pete for going on Bill Maher, but it's still two different things. Maher is an entertainment show on an entertainment channel. Fox is a propaganda channel masquerading as a news channel, and Dems should not help them keep up the scam.

Perhaps the question should be, why are Fox News helping Bernie?

lol so is MSNBC

xp

Perhaps the question should be, why are Fox News helping Bernie?

― o. nate, Wednesday, April 3, 2019 9:06 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

russians!

I have a liberal acquaintance who's on my side on Medicare for all, punching the shit out of the GOP, etc, yet remains addicted to Bill Maher's show.

My acquaintance is often a macho blowhard, so it makes sense.

the answer to everything xp

yr friend sounds like "a mainstream Democrat"

xps yeah Morbs Chris Hayes really fleecing the nation w/ his segment on Puerto Rico last night, what devilry

I assume Fox thinks all americans hate socialism so if the Dems nominate a socialist, Trump is guaranteed reelection

o. nate otm.

fred, i think you're putting wayyyyyyyyy too much weight on this idea that Bernie is somehow lending Fox News credibility here

I couldn't figure out how Bill Maher was still a thing and then I found out it's on Friday nights and that is prime "dads' unwinding time."

Hadrian, obv there are differences, and variations in the programming

also i haven't seen any of that shit in years, except at other ppl's houses

can you imagine "unwinding" to Bill Maher

fred, i think you're putting wayyyyyyyyy too much weight on this idea that Bernie is somehow lending Fox News credibility here

― ⅋ (crüt), 3. april 2019 18:16 (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Don't work with right-wing propagandists. I don't get why this is harder to understand than for instance 'don't take super pac money'.

can you imagine "unwinding" to Bill Maher

not without vodka

Red Bull and Drano

should the next Dem prez ban Fox from the press room, Fred?

(I don't care what yr answer is)

XP Worst Jenny Lewis song

Fred it’s well documented that you don’t understand how any of this works so I ain’t gonna take no lip

Fox isn't stupid and they don't do a thing unless it's going to be good for Trump and the GOP

everyone relax

I am calm, posting as I always do

they don't do a thing unless they calculate it's going to be good for Trump and the GOP, but political calculations do fail. for example, most democrats calculated trump was a weak opponent they could easily trounce.

Fox isn't stupid

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2--LDsXQAErdCF.jpg

lol

the defense rests

it's a smart move for Bernie, even in the worst-case scenario he'll get points in the primaries for going into the lion's den and shouting at FOX audience

They're not stupid though. I think getting Bernie in front of a Fox News audience in a town hall format would be a great idea if Fox News didn't control e.g. the lighting, the makeup, the questions, the audience reaction shots (disgust, eye-rolling, etc) and on and on

Fox isn't stupid and they don't do a thing unless it's going to be good for Trump and the GOP

― Dan I., Wednesday, April 3, 2019 9:42 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

could also be that they want to attract a bunch of viewers that don't typically watch fox because ratings/$$$

let them do their worst.

anyway kev otm this is a really dumb thing to handwring about

podium height, mic volume, cutaways to Fox News talking heads for commentary. this is just an opportunity for them to get Bernie's face in front of cameras so that they can attach any message at all that they want to it.

which they do already!!!

luckily for bernie his face is a vehicle for change

bernie go on fox

not gonna lose him votes

I hear Bernie has a show on Fox?

anything that gives fox news the slightest patina of competence or objectivity is bad imo

I don't know why he would turn them down. He did the townhall in 2016.

Bernie seems very single minded. I don't think he gives a shit who his audience is.

Collins is biased but there is truth to this. For better and worse they are the ones who say what they'll do and how they'll do it. The rest are, you know, "I'll study that," "Faith," "Restore hope," etc. You may not like it but at least they go to bat. https://t.co/5C78tyolql

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) April 3, 2019

yup

That misconstrues what makes a candidate "serious"

maybe... they're also the only 2 candidates who don't sound focus-grouped

(maybe Buttigieg to a certain extent too, but not entirely)

The biggest benefit of being very specific and consistent through the whole campaign about your policy goals and how you want to achieve them is that, if you win, you can justly claim that the electorate understood what you intended to do and backed you up by voting for you to do exactly that. It makes the election be about more than just "character".

Not focus grouped is a bit more accurate. They are more substantive and maybe more authentic, but I look at that as just a different strategy that appeals to some and turns off others. I think several of the other candidates are perfectly legit, but they think less specifics and a finely-tuned image will help them. Worked for Obama, after all.