2020 Democratic presidential primary

Perhaps the question should be, why are Fox News helping Bernie?

lol so is MSNBC

xp

Perhaps the question should be, why are Fox News helping Bernie?

― o. nate, Wednesday, April 3, 2019 9:06 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

russians!

I have a liberal acquaintance who's on my side on Medicare for all, punching the shit out of the GOP, etc, yet remains addicted to Bill Maher's show.

My acquaintance is often a macho blowhard, so it makes sense.

the answer to everything xp

yr friend sounds like "a mainstream Democrat"

xps yeah Morbs Chris Hayes really fleecing the nation w/ his segment on Puerto Rico last night, what devilry

I assume Fox thinks all americans hate socialism so if the Dems nominate a socialist, Trump is guaranteed reelection

o. nate otm.

fred, i think you're putting wayyyyyyyyy too much weight on this idea that Bernie is somehow lending Fox News credibility here

I couldn't figure out how Bill Maher was still a thing and then I found out it's on Friday nights and that is prime "dads' unwinding time."

Hadrian, obv there are differences, and variations in the programming

also i haven't seen any of that shit in years, except at other ppl's houses

can you imagine "unwinding" to Bill Maher

fred, i think you're putting wayyyyyyyyy too much weight on this idea that Bernie is somehow lending Fox News credibility here

― ⅋ (crüt), 3. april 2019 18:16 (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Don't work with right-wing propagandists. I don't get why this is harder to understand than for instance 'don't take super pac money'.

can you imagine "unwinding" to Bill Maher

not without vodka

Red Bull and Drano

should the next Dem prez ban Fox from the press room, Fred?

(I don't care what yr answer is)

XP Worst Jenny Lewis song

Fred it’s well documented that you don’t understand how any of this works so I ain’t gonna take no lip

Fox isn't stupid and they don't do a thing unless it's going to be good for Trump and the GOP

everyone relax

I am calm, posting as I always do

they don't do a thing unless they calculate it's going to be good for Trump and the GOP, but political calculations do fail. for example, most democrats calculated trump was a weak opponent they could easily trounce.

Fox isn't stupid

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2--LDsXQAErdCF.jpg

lol

the defense rests

it's a smart move for Bernie, even in the worst-case scenario he'll get points in the primaries for going into the lion's den and shouting at FOX audience

They're not stupid though. I think getting Bernie in front of a Fox News audience in a town hall format would be a great idea if Fox News didn't control e.g. the lighting, the makeup, the questions, the audience reaction shots (disgust, eye-rolling, etc) and on and on

Fox isn't stupid and they don't do a thing unless it's going to be good for Trump and the GOP

― Dan I., Wednesday, April 3, 2019 9:42 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

could also be that they want to attract a bunch of viewers that don't typically watch fox because ratings/$$$

let them do their worst.

anyway kev otm this is a really dumb thing to handwring about

podium height, mic volume, cutaways to Fox News talking heads for commentary. this is just an opportunity for them to get Bernie's face in front of cameras so that they can attach any message at all that they want to it.

which they do already!!!

luckily for bernie his face is a vehicle for change

bernie go on fox

not gonna lose him votes

I hear Bernie has a show on Fox?

anything that gives fox news the slightest patina of competence or objectivity is bad imo

I don't know why he would turn them down. He did the townhall in 2016.

Bernie seems very single minded. I don't think he gives a shit who his audience is.

Collins is biased but there is truth to this. For better and worse they are the ones who say what they'll do and how they'll do it. The rest are, you know, "I'll study that," "Faith," "Restore hope," etc. You may not like it but at least they go to bat. https://t.co/5C78tyolql

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) April 3, 2019

yup

That misconstrues what makes a candidate "serious"

maybe... they're also the only 2 candidates who don't sound focus-grouped

(maybe Buttigieg to a certain extent too, but not entirely)

The biggest benefit of being very specific and consistent through the whole campaign about your policy goals and how you want to achieve them is that, if you win, you can justly claim that the electorate understood what you intended to do and backed you up by voting for you to do exactly that. It makes the election be about more than just "character".

Not focus grouped is a bit more accurate. They are more substantive and maybe more authentic, but I look at that as just a different strategy that appeals to some and turns off others. I think several of the other candidates are perfectly legit, but they think less specifics and a finely-tuned image will help them. Worked for Obama, after all.

being very specific and consistent through the whole campaign about your policy goals

btw, Trump did run on a variation on that approach by promising many extremely specific policy goals (exclude all muslims, build a border wall and have Mexico pay for it, bring back manufacturing jobs, repeal Obamacare and replace it with something super fantastic that was cheaper, too). However, even though most of his promises were totally unrealistic and unachievable bombast, he did pull out of the TPP and the Paris Accords, renegotiate NAFTA, and move to reverse quite a few Obama era regulatory advances - just as he said he would.

Democratic presidential hopeful Pete Buttigieg in 2015 addressed two local police controversies in South Bend, Indiana, by saying in an official speech that “all lives matter,” a comment that could land him in hot water with his party’s increasingly energized progressive base.

It could also bring new attention to his record on race as the city’s mayor. Activists say that the phrase “all lives matter” misses the point of the Black Lives Matter movement or dismisses it.

Buttigieg was apparently referencing his administration’s refusal to hand over tape recordings of South Bend police officers that remain the subject of legal dispute, as well as the city council’s request that a local police officer stop selling t-shirts that seemed to make light of the 2014 police killing of unarmed black man Eric Garner in New York.

“There is no contradiction between respecting the risks that police officers take every day in order to protect this community, and recognizing the need to overcome the biases implicit in a justice system that treats people from different backgrounds differently, even when they are accused of the same offenses,” Buttigieg said at the time.

“We need to take both those things seriously, for the simple and profound reason that all lives matter,” he said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/03/pete-buttigieg-on-police-controversy-said-all-lives-matter-in-2015.html

Hilarious that they have to throw in Bernie there at the end... who never said "all lives matter."

oh yeah, for Bernie it was only Black, White and Hispanic lives

What elevates Warren and Sanders above the rest has less to do w/ things like specificity and polish than w/ clear records and priorities w/r/t to corruption, income equality, and economic justice