Morbs, we all know caution is not in your emotional vocabulary.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 18:30 (five years ago) link
Morbs you made it, like, three days
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 18:53 (five years ago) link
that was a driveby
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 18:55 (five years ago) link
It was a voluntary, impromptu, and self-imposed restriction, so there was never a reason to think it would last any longer than the reaction that prompted it.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 18:55 (five years ago) link
join me in the Tootsie thread
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 18:56 (five years ago) link
I am boycotting all the Dabney Coleman theads
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 19:02 (five years ago) link
a strange game
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 19:02 (five years ago) link
at some point enough is enough
let's all talk about Santino Fontana in here now that Morbs is gone
― blokes you can't rust (sic), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 19:17 (five years ago) link
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, April 24, 2019 12:02 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lmao
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 20:20 (five years ago) link
Investigative hearings should proceed, so that there is a constant dribble of damning news on Trump. I'd prefer that it focus on the violations of the emoluments clause, as I think corruption will hit much harder with the electorate than
I would much rather see the Democratic caucus pass sweeping Medicare for all and climate legislation, and have this be the central theme of the remainder of this Congress. Give the Democratic presidential and Senate candidates something to run on.
― Insert bad pun (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 21:06 (five years ago) link
^ corruption will hit much harder with the electorate than the clear obstruction of justice in the Russia investigation.
― Insert bad pun (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 21:07 (five years ago) link
are we discussing impeachment in the Tootsie thread or
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 21:12 (five years ago) link
So its back again?
I don't understand how this is supposed to go anywhere
― anvil, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:00 (four years ago) link
it is a moral and legal imperative
and you know, I wd've impeached every fucking president ive lived through
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:04 (four years ago) link
I can see the rationale if the purpose is gumming up the works, but otherwise I don't get where this is supposed to end up
and if there was any seriousness to impeachment why not just do it on emoluments instead
― anvil, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:05 (four years ago) link
too complex to sell to the moronic public
as this may be
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:08 (four years ago) link
it's to force a drumbeat of bad news about trump for months in the run-up to the electionit's to force republicans to defend him and shrink their base to only die-hard trumpers in the run-up to the electionit's to actually discover evidence of criminal activity and hold criminals to accountit's to finish mueller's jobp sure there are some other good reasons too
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:10 (four years ago) link
as well you should have because they are all war criminals
― Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:12 (four years ago) link
You know who wouldn't handwring and have internal debates for months and months over whether to impeach? Republicans. And yet somehow "the American public" doesn't hold their "partisan witch hunts" against them.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:18 (four years ago) link
What are its chances in the senate?
Why this over emoluments?
"they're going after him for the exact same thing Hillary did"
― anvil, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:19 (four years ago) link
I don't get where this is supposed to end up
the president of the united states is a criminal who leverages his office to enrich himself and go after his political enemies. he effectively got away with this in the 2016 election and is now doing it again, in plain view, even admitting to it on live TV. forget the political calculations for a minute - you impeach because it's objectively the right thing to do.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:19 (four years ago) link
very fine reasons on both sides
― nashwan, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:20 (four years ago) link
you impeach because it's objectively the right thing to do.
Will he be removed from office? How likely, scale of 1-10
― anvil, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:21 (four years ago) link
Will Clinton be removed from office? Prob not so hey let's just forget the whole thing
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:23 (four years ago) link
Well if he's not going to be removed from office then we have to ask what the purpose is? (if its to gum up the works I'm fine with that, but otherwise what is the actual goal here?).
And also if the goal really is to remove him from office, is this Ukraine thing the most reliable thing to get him on?
― anvil, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:28 (four years ago) link
probably about a 2? again, the idea isn't so much removing him from an office (because we live with a stupidly broken political system) as it is exposing all his crimes, keeping his hands tied, and forcing every elected official to either vote for removal or endorse the corruption
― frogbs, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:28 (four years ago) link
it's to emphasize HE'S A CROOK for the next year, wtf is so difficult?
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:29 (four years ago) link
anvil - succeeding in removing him from office via the actual mechanism of impeachment is very unlikely - and so far down the list of reasons to impeach i didn't bother mentioning
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:29 (four years ago) link
do you think the other reasons aren't good reasons?
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:30 (four years ago) link
If he's impeached, it fails, his base is energized further and he gets re-elected - this seems a reasonably likely scenario? Would want at least some expectation of success before heading down this road - so seesms reasonable to ask "will this actually work?"
― anvil, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:31 (four years ago) link
a failed impeachment doesn't specifically emphasize this
Not impeaching looks like tacit approval or acceptance that this is normal now.what I also want to see from impeachment is Republican senators having to stake their careers on the Trump project even further than they already have
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:33 (four years ago) link
More than anything in the near term, I hope this ruins Biden's run for nominee.In the long view, good for them. You want to sort of try and make the office of president a little bit unattractive to supervillains? Let's go back to the days these guys had a little finesse, you know?
― maffew12, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:34 (four years ago) link
Does it make it harder or easier to credibly impeach again if (when) he commits a more serious crime, god forbid he wins a second term?
― ShariVari, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:35 (four years ago) link
Would want at least some expectation of success before heading down this road - so seesms reasonable to ask "will this actually work?"Who would
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:36 (four years ago) link
that's a risk that has to be taken imofrom the start, the message will be: trump's friends enabled him then, and they're covering up for him now. a failure to convict in the senate will prove their corruption. i wouldn't be surprised if articles of impeachment actually pass the house after all the creepy crawlies come out.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:36 (four years ago) link
if the impeachment fails it will visibly, publicly, fail because the system is visibly, publicly, corrupt and will not exonerate Trump in the minds of anybody beyond his existing faithful.
― Fox Pithole Britain (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:37 (four years ago) link
So then isn't emoluments a much safer vehicle? This seems flimsy and destined for failure
― anvil, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:38 (four years ago) link
If he's impeached, it fails, his base is energized further and he gets re-elected - this seems a reasonably likely scenario?
Nope. He was only elected in the first place due to a fluke - 70,000 votes in three states, at least one of which he's currently underwater in. His "base" is ~40% of the voting public. The other 60% are firmly aligned against him. No matter how "energized" they get or how much spittle they spray, they're not the majority of voters and they never will be. And if you demoralize a significant enough portion of them by repeatedly saying "Your guy is a crook and a loser and he's going down," it has an effect. See, a lot of them aren't actually fueled by hate. They're fueled by a burning desire to be on the winning team. If you paint Trump with the stench of loser-dom long enough and emphatically enough, a sizable chunk of his base - 10%, say - will peel away and say, "Fuck this loser," and even if they don't vote Democratic, they'll simply not vote, which will tank him.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:38 (four years ago) link
his base is energized further and he gets re-elected
ah yes, his enormous base
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:38 (four years ago) link
dont need enormity when you got gerrymandering
― anvil, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:39 (four years ago) link
well if gerrymandering's gonna secure a trump win then that doesn't seem to have any fuckin thing to do with trying to impeach him
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:40 (four years ago) link
You think failing to be impeached will increase his vote? xp
― nashwan, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:40 (four years ago) link
Can you believe this whining little bitch still commands the respect of 30% of Americans? https://t.co/4YtLPIGEUi— Roy Edroso (@edroso) September 25, 2019
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:41 (four years ago) link
― american bradass (BradNelson),
its not going to secure a win! But it does help to have it on your side, fine margins and all that
― anvil, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:42 (four years ago) link
― anvil, Wednesday, September 25, 2019 7:19 AM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I'd been wondering just how long it was going to take for this extremely incorrect take to start popping up.
― Welcome To My Lifemare (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:42 (four years ago) link
Trump's base is already energized. He feeds them red meat all the time. If he's not aggrieved about this, it'll be something else. Kavanaugh, Russia, that one WaPo story showing empty seats during a campaign rally, etc. etc. Impeachment will also energize the Dem base, who have lately been disappointed in their party's inability to do anything whatsoever about the president's unchecked crime spree. As mentioned in this thread, continuing to do nothing is an implicit approval of his behavior. If they don't impeach it's easy for Trump/GOP to just say "if you thought this was so serious, why didn't you do anything about it then?"
― frogbs, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:43 (four years ago) link
Anyone foresee a considerably higher voter turnout in 2020?(I'm lurking here from Canada)
― maffew12, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:44 (four years ago) link
I don't think they have to tie it explicitly to the Ukraine thing. from what I've read the Dems have a long list of impeachable offenses so even if this winds up being nothing they've got a lot to fall back on
― frogbs, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:45 (four years ago) link