no, i didn't know that the June 2019 US Politics thread was nasty

Destined for Bartlett's Quotes. Trump: “China, India, Russia, many other nations, they have not very good air, not very good water, and the sense of pollution. If you go to certain cities, you can’t even breathe, and now that air is going up. They don’t do the responsibility.”

— Jeffrey St. Clair (@JSCCounterPunch) June 5, 2019

reading that in the voice of prime Jerry Lewis

Reading that as if it were the final gaseous emissions from a dying horse's suppurating asshole.

pollution: it’s real and bad in other countries but fine in the usa

We do the responsibility here

His words on the border in Ireland were similarly nonsensical. If we have time left for hindsight, its gaze upon this era will be withering.

they don't have the freedom molecules, and that's why they resent us

i really hope whoever ends up debating this oatmeal-brained fuck treats his utterances with the proper level of incomprehension and exhaustion. but of course you know they won't, they'll just act like a totally normal grown adult has just said a totally normal grown adult thing and not "they don't do the responsibility"

fucking hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQxn1yYE7VU

Candidate One: (stomps on whoopee cushion filled with mayonnaise while firing off two airhorns)
Candidate Two: With respect, the assumptions underscoring my opponent's position are baseless, for the following reasons...

I fucking wish

En route to The Hague! 🇺🇸🇳🇱#GES2019

— Ivanka Trump (@IvankaTrump) June 5, 2019

46.1% of american voters: i like the mayo man that makes fartz
48.2% of american voters: ... we are in hell

*mix it all up with a little electoral college*
the mayo man wins!

^ the succinctest encapsulation of the current predicament I have yet seen

reading that in the voice of prime Jerry Lewis

omg

No one understands borders like big brains in the corner.

“The Senate won’t remove him” is a terrible argument for why the House shouldn’t hold Trump accountable. And the politics of forcing the Senate to vote to protect Trump are good - here’s Trump’s approval in the states we need to take back the Senate: https://t.co/ahLIlLA7Kz

— Adam Jentleson 🎈🐢 (@AJentleson) June 5, 2019

46.1% of american voters: i like the mayo man that makes fartz
48.2% of american voters: ... we are in hell

*mix it all up with a little electoral college*
the mayo man wins!

― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 20:03 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wow attacked rn

lmao

lmayo, tbh

if you were wondering what all the soldiers deployed to confront the evil caravans at the southern border are doing

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/military-to-spend-a-month-painting-border-barriers-to-improve-aesthetic-appearance/

painting >> shooting

if i were the CO i'd order everyone to use paintball guns. painting AND shooting training. two birds with one stone. also, to pick up any dead birds they find by the wall (because builds kill many more birds each year than wind turbines. fun fact to mention next time your crazy ass uncle is going on a tirade about wind energy because he suddenly cares so much about the livelihood of birds). three birds with one stone.

Dodo's D-Day speech sounded like it was done thru a prompter

(earpiece i mean)

He does that thing where he lisps and, like a two-pack-a-day smoker, inhales deeply

NEWSFLASH: After Normandy speech, Trump now "presidential", according to MSDNC's Andrea Mitchell.

— Jeffrey St. Clair (@JSCCounterPunch) June 6, 2019

So they're cutting activities (including legal aid) to kids at the border...

Pelosi tells Democrats she wants Trump "in prison," not impeached

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she doesn’t want Donald Trump impeached because she’d rather see him “in prison,” Politico reported.

Pelosi, who has been resisting Democratic calls for impeachment, made the comments Tuesday night during a contentious meeting with House Judiciary Committee chairman Jerry Nadler.

“I don’t want to see him impeached, I want to see him in prison,” she said, Democratic sources told Politico.

Nadler was pushing Pelosi to allow his committee to launch an impeachment inquiry, the second time he’s made that request in recent weeks, according to the report.

An increasing number of Democrats have called for impeachment, but Pelosi has steadfastly resisted.

Pelosi reportedly argued at the meeting with Nadler and other Democrats that she would prefer to see Trump defeated in the 2020 election and then prosecuted for his crimes.

i want to be wrong, but there is no way in hell that even a democratic led DOJ is going to send trump to prison

"it's time to move on. it's time to heal. it's time to look forward", etc

walk, chew gum xxp

but yes if Nixon, Dubya ad nauseum have taught us anything is that the executive cretins don't go to jail

walk, chew gum

i was wondering this too, like what's wrong w/ impeachment AND prison afterward? but i suppose pelosi is in the camp that thinks impeachment will lead to a 2020 election loss for democrats

Was there ever a time in our history where the party leading the impeachment hearings didn't win the subsequent presidential election? It's certainly been true during my lifetime.

I mean, I know this iteration of the Democratic Party could be the first to fuck that up, but still

yeah i feel like the exercise of power - impeachment, whatever - establishes its own legitimacy all by itself

Come on, fellas, rash action might send our nation hurtling into chaos. Can you even imagine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJq7J2uzSlc

At last.

The notion that impeaching Clinton hurt the Republican Party isn’t entirely a myth. The House Republican majority voted to formally begin an impeachment inquiry in October 1998, just weeks before the midterm elections. GOP leaders confidently predicted that public revulsion with Clinton would lead to big Republican gains. “The Republicans were all full of themselves going into the election,” says then–Democratic Representative Martin Frost of Texas, who chaired the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee that year. “They expected to pick up 20 or 30 seats.” Instead, in November, Democrats gained five—the first time a president’s party had won House seats in the sixth year of his tenure since Andrew Jackson in 1834.

But it’s easy to overstate the magnitude of the GOP’s backslide in 1998. In the Senate, Democrats gained no seats that year, leaving the Republican majority intact. Nor did the five-seat House loss cost the GOP its majority in that chamber. Republicans still won more of the total national popular vote in House races than Democrats. Swing voters didn’t stampede away from the GOP; in exit polls, Republicans still narrowly beat Democrats among independent voters. And while impeachment provoked big turnout from African Americans, Clinton’s most passionate supporters, overall, turnout that year was very low.

The midterm election was widely seen as a red light from the public on impeachment. But Republicans barreled ahead and voted in mid-December to remove Clinton anyway. On the day they did so, there was about as much public support for impeaching Clinton as there is today for impeaching Trump. A Gallup poll at the time showed that 35 percent of the public overall backed impeachment, including 40 percent of independents. In a CNN poll this week, 41 percent of the public supported impeachment, including 35 percent of independents. Overall, Clinton’s public support in Gallup polling was much stronger at the time (63 percent job-approval rating) than Trump’s is now (40 percent).

Nancy Pelosi, please observe carefully the number of years spent in prison by the perpetrators of the financial frauds that almost disemboweled the entire Western world's economies in 2008. Now compare that to number of years spent in prison by the perpetrators of the Iran-Contra crimes. Now imagine how much time Donald J. Trump, the 45th President of the USA, will spend in prison for his crimes in office. Then stop perpetuating that "in prison" nonsense.

This "want him to go to prison" thing is inane on multiple fronts. First, as an impeachment delay tactic it's lazy and transparent. Second, it undermines her argument for taking things slowly, i.e. that she's an institutionalist who values due process, thoroughness, surety, etc. Instead she's echoing and legitinizing Trump's own "lock her up!" discourse. It's just not serious. It's stupid.

But most obviously WTF she is actually saying that in the meantime it's okay for a guy who merits imprisonment—a criminal!—to remain in the highest office. Like it's more important to the country that he is "punished" sometime down the road than e.g. have the nuclear codes taken away ASAP

boomin'

Since the Senate will never convict impeachment amounts to a motion of strong moral disapproval. A weak-looking move.

Hadrian OTM

the weakest looking move of all is worrying about how something looks. if trump has committed crimes in office he should be impeached.

Maybe, but in politics, "how things look" very often has material consequences (I agree that trump should be impeached though).

You've got to break these people. Constant drumbeat of witnesses, bad news etc. It creates its own reality. Yes the Democrats are in control of the House, yes they're trying to bring down the Republicans by any means necessary, why because Republican ideas are bad, they're bad people, and oh their president is a criminal. Whatever it takes. Not fair? Too bad, shut up, we have the power now, don't like it then vote us out. Hate Trump? Come with us.

Trump has stumbled into a kind of timeless political truth which is that being hated by the right people is an asset. The Democrats keep thinking everybody can like them. Fuck Trump supporters forever

true. there is no virtue in being soft on republicans. i would turn the guns on the officeholders and the corrupt interests they represent though, not the average voter. (sanders and warren both do this well).

well I mean as the presumed collateral damage from any Trump investigation, or indeed any flavor of the termination with extreme prejudice of the entire Republican project. If they want to go down with the ship, good riddance

yeah, sure. i think the democrats are confused because they think going hard on the republican party will alienate certain voters. but those voters can make a decision. and it's not like the republican project has helped them far from it.