no, i didn't know that the June 2019 US Politics thread was nasty

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reading that in the voice of prime Jerry Lewis

omg

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 20:45 (five years ago) link

No one understands borders like big brains in the corner.

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 21:14 (five years ago) link

“The Senate won’t remove him” is a terrible argument for why the House shouldn’t hold Trump accountable. And the politics of forcing the Senate to vote to protect Trump are good - here’s Trump’s approval in the states we need to take back the Senate: https://t.co/ahLIlLA7Kz

— Adam Jentleson 🎈🐢 (@AJentleson) June 5, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 21:43 (five years ago) link

46.1% of american voters: i like the mayo man that makes fartz
48.2% of american voters: ... we are in hell

*mix it all up with a little electoral college*
the mayo man wins!

― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 20:03 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wow attacked rn

godfellaz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 21:44 (five years ago) link

lmao

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 22:31 (five years ago) link

lmayo, tbh

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 22:31 (five years ago) link

if you were wondering what all the soldiers deployed to confront the evil caravans at the southern border are doing

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/military-to-spend-a-month-painting-border-barriers-to-improve-aesthetic-appearance/

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Thursday, 6 June 2019 14:18 (five years ago) link

painting >> shooting

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 June 2019 14:18 (five years ago) link

if i were the CO i'd order everyone to use paintball guns. painting AND shooting training. two birds with one stone. also, to pick up any dead birds they find by the wall (because builds kill many more birds each year than wind turbines. fun fact to mention next time your crazy ass uncle is going on a tirade about wind energy because he suddenly cares so much about the livelihood of birds). three birds with one stone.

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Thursday, 6 June 2019 14:27 (five years ago) link

Dodo's D-Day speech sounded like it was done thru a prompter

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 June 2019 15:03 (five years ago) link

(earpiece i mean)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 June 2019 15:03 (five years ago) link

He does that thing where he lisps and, like a two-pack-a-day smoker, inhales deeply

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 June 2019 15:08 (five years ago) link

NEWSFLASH: After Normandy speech, Trump now "presidential", according to MSDNC's Andrea Mitchell.

— Jeffrey St. Clair (@JSCCounterPunch) June 6, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 June 2019 15:17 (five years ago) link

So they're cutting activities (including legal aid) to kids at the border...

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 6 June 2019 15:39 (five years ago) link

Pelosi tells Democrats she wants Trump "in prison," not impeached

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she doesn’t want Donald Trump impeached because she’d rather see him “in prison,” Politico reported.

Pelosi, who has been resisting Democratic calls for impeachment, made the comments Tuesday night during a contentious meeting with House Judiciary Committee chairman Jerry Nadler.

“I don’t want to see him impeached, I want to see him in prison,” she said, Democratic sources told Politico.

Nadler was pushing Pelosi to allow his committee to launch an impeachment inquiry, the second time he’s made that request in recent weeks, according to the report.

An increasing number of Democrats have called for impeachment, but Pelosi has steadfastly resisted.

Pelosi reportedly argued at the meeting with Nadler and other Democrats that she would prefer to see Trump defeated in the 2020 election and then prosecuted for his crimes.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 6 June 2019 15:58 (five years ago) link

i want to be wrong, but there is no way in hell that even a democratic led DOJ is going to send trump to prison

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Thursday, 6 June 2019 16:02 (five years ago) link

"it's time to move on. it's time to heal. it's time to look forward", etc

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Thursday, 6 June 2019 16:02 (five years ago) link

walk, chew gum xxp

but yes if Nixon, Dubya ad nauseum have taught us anything is that the executive cretins don't go to jail

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 June 2019 16:04 (five years ago) link

walk, chew gum

i was wondering this too, like what's wrong w/ impeachment AND prison afterward? but i suppose pelosi is in the camp that thinks impeachment will lead to a 2020 election loss for democrats

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Thursday, 6 June 2019 16:07 (five years ago) link

Was there ever a time in our history where the party leading the impeachment hearings didn't win the subsequent presidential election? It's certainly been true during my lifetime.

Arugula Raccoon (DJP), Thursday, 6 June 2019 16:31 (five years ago) link

I mean, I know this iteration of the Democratic Party could be the first to fuck that up, but still

Arugula Raccoon (DJP), Thursday, 6 June 2019 16:31 (five years ago) link

yeah i feel like the exercise of power - impeachment, whatever - establishes its own legitimacy all by itself

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 June 2019 16:37 (five years ago) link

Come on, fellas, rash action might send our nation hurtling into chaos. Can you even imagine?

Howlin' Oates - 'Wang Can't Dang for That (No Can Doodle)' (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 June 2019 16:41 (five years ago) link

At last.

The notion that impeaching Clinton hurt the Republican Party isn’t entirely a myth. The House Republican majority voted to formally begin an impeachment inquiry in October 1998, just weeks before the midterm elections. GOP leaders confidently predicted that public revulsion with Clinton would lead to big Republican gains. “The Republicans were all full of themselves going into the election,” says then–Democratic Representative Martin Frost of Texas, who chaired the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee that year. “They expected to pick up 20 or 30 seats.” Instead, in November, Democrats gained five—the first time a president’s party had won House seats in the sixth year of his tenure since Andrew Jackson in 1834.

But it’s easy to overstate the magnitude of the GOP’s backslide in 1998. In the Senate, Democrats gained no seats that year, leaving the Republican majority intact. Nor did the five-seat House loss cost the GOP its majority in that chamber. Republicans still won more of the total national popular vote in House races than Democrats. Swing voters didn’t stampede away from the GOP; in exit polls, Republicans still narrowly beat Democrats among independent voters. And while impeachment provoked big turnout from African Americans, Clinton’s most passionate supporters, overall, turnout that year was very low.

The midterm election was widely seen as a red light from the public on impeachment. But Republicans barreled ahead and voted in mid-December to remove Clinton anyway. On the day they did so, there was about as much public support for impeaching Clinton as there is today for impeaching Trump. A Gallup poll at the time showed that 35 percent of the public overall backed impeachment, including 40 percent of independents. In a CNN poll this week, 41 percent of the public supported impeachment, including 35 percent of independents. Overall, Clinton’s public support in Gallup polling was much stronger at the time (63 percent job-approval rating) than Trump’s is now (40 percent).

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 June 2019 18:28 (five years ago) link

Nancy Pelosi, please observe carefully the number of years spent in prison by the perpetrators of the financial frauds that almost disemboweled the entire Western world's economies in 2008. Now compare that to number of years spent in prison by the perpetrators of the Iran-Contra crimes. Now imagine how much time Donald J. Trump, the 45th President of the USA, will spend in prison for his crimes in office. Then stop perpetuating that "in prison" nonsense.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 7 June 2019 03:49 (five years ago) link

This "want him to go to prison" thing is inane on multiple fronts. First, as an impeachment delay tactic it's lazy and transparent. Second, it undermines her argument for taking things slowly, i.e. that she's an institutionalist who values due process, thoroughness, surety, etc. Instead she's echoing and legitinizing Trump's own "lock her up!" discourse. It's just not serious. It's stupid.

But most obviously WTF she is actually saying that in the meantime it's okay for a guy who merits imprisonment—a criminal!—to remain in the highest office. Like it's more important to the country that he is "punished" sometime down the road than e.g. have the nuclear codes taken away ASAP

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 7 June 2019 12:35 (five years ago) link

boomin'

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 June 2019 12:39 (five years ago) link

Since the Senate will never convict impeachment amounts to a motion of strong moral disapproval. A weak-looking move.

Bnad, Friday, 7 June 2019 13:02 (five years ago) link

Hadrian OTM

Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 June 2019 13:05 (five years ago) link

the weakest looking move of all is worrying about how something looks. if trump has committed crimes in office he should be impeached.

Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 June 2019 13:06 (five years ago) link

Maybe, but in politics, "how things look" very often has material consequences (I agree that trump should be impeached though).

Auld Drink of Misery (zchyrs), Friday, 7 June 2019 13:24 (five years ago) link

You've got to break these people. Constant drumbeat of witnesses, bad news etc. It creates its own reality. Yes the Democrats are in control of the House, yes they're trying to bring down the Republicans by any means necessary, why because Republican ideas are bad, they're bad people, and oh their president is a criminal. Whatever it takes. Not fair? Too bad, shut up, we have the power now, don't like it then vote us out. Hate Trump? Come with us.

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 June 2019 13:27 (five years ago) link

Trump has stumbled into a kind of timeless political truth which is that being hated by the right people is an asset. The Democrats keep thinking everybody can like them. Fuck Trump supporters forever

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 June 2019 13:28 (five years ago) link

true. there is no virtue in being soft on republicans. i would turn the guns on the officeholders and the corrupt interests they represent though, not the average voter. (sanders and warren both do this well).

Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 June 2019 13:35 (five years ago) link

well I mean as the presumed collateral damage from any Trump investigation, or indeed any flavor of the termination with extreme prejudice of the entire Republican project. If they want to go down with the ship, good riddance

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 June 2019 13:44 (five years ago) link

yeah, sure. i think the democrats are confused because they think going hard on the republican party will alienate certain voters. but those voters can make a decision. and it's not like the republican project has helped them far from it.

Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 June 2019 13:47 (five years ago) link

at this point, given the circunstances and the stakes, the opposition isn't even Trump — it's Pelosi Stoyer et al vs. decades of self-sabotage syndrome

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 7 June 2019 14:00 (five years ago) link

i mean, the republican party is not a reasonable conservative opposition that you can make deals with to further shared goals. they aren't looking for market based solutions to climate change and healthcare--they are represented the interests of like carpetbagging elites and selling it by stoking paranoia and hysteria, often demonizing pelosi herself. the democrats just need to get hip to the situation.

Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 June 2019 14:04 (five years ago) link

calling these people what they are is painful--it shatters the cherished idea that we live in a functional republic--but you have to live in the real world not the fake one

Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 June 2019 14:05 (five years ago) link

You've got to break these people. Constant drumbeat of witnesses, bad news etc. It creates its own reality. Yes the Democrats are in control of the House, yes they're trying to bring down the Republicans by any means necessary, why because Republican ideas are bad, they're bad people, and oh their president is a criminal. Whatever it takes. Not fair? Too bad, shut up, we have the power now, don't like it then vote us out. Hate Trump? Come with us.

OTMFM! There are no rules anymore and defeating Trump won’t bring back a world where there are rules (if such a world ever existed). Dems are still playing by the rules instead of breaking shit.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Friday, 7 June 2019 14:15 (five years ago) link

Gonna repost:

The political world has changed significantly since 1998. Key among those changes is the consolidation of a conservative-media infrastructure that dominates communication to the GOP rank and file. That dynamic means Trump is even less likely than Clinton to suffer major erosion of support from his base, and thus also from his party’s representatives in Congress. And Trump has repeatedly demonstrated, with the help of the conservative-media ecosystem, that he can energize his supporters by portraying attacks on him as efforts from disdainful “elites” to suppress their influence. That could allow him to wave impeachment as a bloody shirt to spur turnout from his base in 2020. Even swing voters uneasy about Trump might also recoil from the sheer level of political conflict that impeachment would inevitably ignite in today’s combustible media environment.

All of that suggests it’s not a guaranteed political winner for House Democrats to impeach Trump when there’s virtually no chance the Senate will vote to remove him. But the full ledger on Clinton’s impeachment invalidates the common assumption that impeachment without removal is a guaranteed political loser. Considering both the 1998 and 2000 elections, there’s considerable evidence that the struggle actually helped the GOP; at worst, its political impact was equivocal. Which means that, on impeachment, House Democrats may have more leeway than they believe to do what they think is legally and morally right.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/06/did-clintons-impeachment-actually-hurt-republicans/591175/

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 June 2019 14:17 (five years ago) link

Instead she's echoing and legitinizing Trump's own "lock her up!" discourse

come on, "legitimizing"?

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 7 June 2019 14:18 (five years ago) link

we all want this man who deserves to go to prison to go to prison

alfred's repost otm

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 7 June 2019 14:24 (five years ago) link

i agree

Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 June 2019 14:24 (five years ago) link

btw the Embed podcast is doing a series about Mitch right now. The episode that dropped this week has a speech where Mitch calls out John McCain on the Senate floor challenging him to name names of Senators he thinks are corrupt. McCain tries to brush him off multiple times before basically saying, "You are, Mitch."

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 7 June 2019 14:27 (five years ago) link

it is true that Bill Clinton was not re-elected in 2000 that’s a good pt

Vape Store (crüt), Friday, 7 June 2019 14:34 (five years ago) link

he can energize his supporters by portraying attacks on him as efforts from disdainful “elites” to suppress their influence. That could allow him to wave impeachment as a bloody shirt to spur turnout from his base in 2020. Even swing voters uneasy about Trump might also recoil from the sheer level of political conflict that impeachment would inevitably ignite in today’s combustible media environment.

This is dense with false premises. First, it presumes that Trump's base will not already be maximally inflamed. This is Donald Trump we're talking about. *Not* impeaching him is going to somehow pacify his base? His base will be demagogued into a frenzy no matter what, on immigration and on "socialism" not to mention the investigation his DOJ will open on his opponent. Second, this "swing voter" business. Who exactly are we talking about? The guy is polling at 40%!

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 7 June 2019 14:39 (five years ago) link

"political conflict would inevitably ignite"

LOL the house is right now on the verge of holding the attorney general in contempt but god forbid "conflict"

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 7 June 2019 14:42 (five years ago) link

His base will be demagogued into a frenzy no matter what

yes, exactly

Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 June 2019 14:44 (five years ago) link


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