2020 Democratic presidential primary

This thread has made the social media rounds:

The more I hear about @ewarren's "solutions" the less I support her. Her proposed policies sound mostly like wonky technocratic regulatory schemes, not actual solutions. We have seen these type of elaborately conceived concessions to the market fail time and time again.

— Daniel Baryon (@apeirophobic) June 15, 2019

The people in that thread are full-on unhinged.

to wit:

She's like the cop who only shoots Black people when "my life was endangered".

— Laura (@Laura78703) June 16, 2019

I think there’s a difference between acknowledging that in politics you sometimes have to work with people who have views you strongly disagree with and dog-whistling to racists.

That was in reference to unperson’s post.

Yeah, I'm about to un-follow this guy's thread to which I foolishly contributed. I keep waiting to be called a capitalist stooge.

i rly rly dont understand leftists who think bernie is one of them.

i guess because if all you ever do is respond with platitudes ppl can project onto you what they want to see.

The demonization of everyone else is what worries me

xp

like bernie is def sympathetic to Actual Socialism but this idea that bernie helps herald in the american october revolution is a flight of fancy that i cannot get understand.

xp

understand

DSA types are tearing down Warren at all costs the past two weeks

ive noticed that too. someone called her neoliberal and thats when i realized it was personal.

i've also learned recently that a ton of people are using "neoliberal" to mean "bland modern centrist democrats," which sometimes is totally correct of course, but also means that the pejorative can be misapplied if you're using the term to refer to reaganite/thatcherite economics and the privatization of everything specifically

wait that is neoliberalism

maybe im misreading you, you mean that neoliberal is improperly used to criticize moderate dems who are not covert reaganites?

right, i mean, the last part of my post (reagan etc.) is how i understand the term. but for some people it's just a synonym for the use of "liberal" as a pejorative from the left. understandable I guess, given the meaning of "liberal" in US politics, vs. classical liberalism etc.

and again there's plenty of overlap in that venn diagram between neoliberals and centrist "liberals." but it has led to me being confused by conversations more than once.

DSA types are tearing down Warren at all costs the past two weeks

― Vape Store (crüt), Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:10 AM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ive noticed that too. someone called her neoliberal and thats when i realized it was personal.

― hollow your fart (m bison), Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:13 AM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if this is actually happening then i'm fucking furious

Bernie, see, has been at this longer. And he marched with works. Plus, she was a Republican once.

She is a liberal, of course. No need to exaggerate...

For example:

Warren wants a technocratic zombie capitalism, propped up in all its failures by a remedial state. Sanders wants a socialist cultural transformation and a leftist reformulation of workers' rights, enabling them to subvert capitalism and build class power.

— Daniel Baryon (@apeirophobic) June 15, 2019

I just read on FB that Bernie "had his chance in 2016." He's just like Hillary after all!

And he marched with works.

I know you didn't mean "wonks"...

I mean, if we're going to make up shit based on not understanding or comprehending people's positions, stay tuned for my 100-tweet thread with citations on Bernie's secret plan to arm poor white people and turn them into Marxist race militias

I don't think it's totally wrong to say that Sanders has a "cultural transformation" angle Warren hasn't really taken. The rest of that tweet is pretty lolsy

Some good links here: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/18/18678000/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-2020-similarities-differences

Technocratic solutions are good actually imo

name some

(I honestly can't think of any, the word sounds like Zuckerberg)

I think the way I’ve seen people use it on twitter, they’re talking about politicians who favor policies like “health savings accounts” instead of single-payer, but idk if that’s really the correct way to apply the term, which afaik means “policy designed by experts and not elected reps”

*use the term technocratic

This bill is
This bill is
This bill is technocratic

ah those New York instincts!

NYT: Where you would you go on your first international trip as president?
Gillibrand: Israel.
Hickenlooper, Swalwell, Klobuchar: Our NATO allies.

— Jeffrey St. Clair (@JSCCounterPunch) June 19, 2019

I think there’s a difference between acknowledging that in politics you sometimes have to work with people who have views you strongly disagree with and dog-whistling to racists.

Biden going on about how the old racist senator "never called me boy, he always called me son," doesn't have at least a little bit of pitch to it?

biden's whole approach is going after white trump voters who voted for obama in 08

Technocratic solutions are good actually imo

― don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:43 AM (thirty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

name some

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:46 AM (thirty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the ACA is a million miles from where it should be, but it's also a million miles better than what we had before.

Biden going on about how the old racist senator "never called me boy, he always called me son," doesn't have at least a little bit of pitch to it?

this about a billion times

I'm on an ACA plan, and along with underemployment it's pushing me to the brink. It's not a technocratic solution, it's a gift to insurance companies.

I think the way I’ve seen people use it on twitter, they’re talking about politicians who favor policies like “health savings accounts” instead of single-payer, but idk if that’s really the correct way to apply the term, which afaik means “policy designed by experts and not elected reps”

― old cloud yells at man (voodoo chili), Wednesday, June 19, 2019 10:53 AM (forty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is correct.

the problem with technocratic solutions are the technocrats' proximity to monied power, not bc of their specialized knowledge of law and policy (although to get the latter, they have to make nice to the former in many cases). im sympathetic to critiques of technocratic policymaking, but i fear that its used haphazardly against policies with, like, details.

Wow, Biden really hated raves:

Wow Joe Biden really doesn’t like EDM pic.twitter.com/hTthSCQYlg

— Nando (@nandorvila) June 19, 2019

found yr candidate, this guy fucks

http://i65.tinypic.com/3013ozn.gif

here we go, here we fucken go

After slipping in the polls, Bernie is now going after Warren https://t.co/iVGooG37lk

— Drew Savicki (@SenhorRaposa) June 19, 2019

I’m still 50/50 between them

gotta see the quoted tweet from the sanders post:

The cat is out of the bag. The corporate wing of the Democratic Party is publicly "anybody but Bernie." They know our progressive agenda of Medicare for All, breaking up big banks, taking on drug companies and raising wages is the real threat to the billionaire class. https://t.co/zimci7JRO6

— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) June 19, 2019

fuck this shit

It's called politics. They have the same base, why wouldn't they "go after" each other, ultimately?

i realize this is how primaries work thanks morbs

more importantly i shouldn't read tweets

Luckily Trump isn't part of the Democrats' corporate wing, so they'll have that option in the main.

that is....not "going after" warren ffs. get a grip everyone

osita on warren/bernie btw: https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-and-two-paths-for-the-american-left