that's maybe fair? I feel like a lot of the interactions would play out differently in 2019 and the different aspects of feminism you get from Diane/Lilith/Rebecca have modern analogues but the portrayals and outcomes would have to play differently
early seasons Sam's a womanizer of the type that doesn't play well in that there are occasional "women are crazy" tropes when obviously he's treated women badly or led them on only to ghost
Norm's boilerplate wife jokes are buffered by the fact that he obviously really loves her and doesn't really take it when other people say things about her, iirc
― mh, Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:10 (four years ago) link
yeah lots of:
Sam: women are crazy, Diane.Diane: You're a pig, Sam Malone!
― VAR me to the end of yawn (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:11 (four years ago) link
Friends debuted 25 years ago. When Friends debuted, The Brady Bunch had debuted 25 years before.
― omar little, Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:15 (four years ago) link
The Brady Bunch was similarly a "thing" with my generation I guess.
― omar little, Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:16 (four years ago) link
yeah Norm's zings on Vera are a performative mask for self-loathing
and Sam's sluttiness was played as a non-positive more often than not
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:20 (four years ago) link
the sexual politics of cheers are pretty of their time. like my woke gf won't watch it with me
hard disagree. it's remarkably progressive for 1983.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:22 (four years ago) link
"progressive for 1983" is still timely
― VAR me to the end of yawn (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:22 (four years ago) link
(Sam's ability at conquest is only acclaimed as admirable by a) unfuckable losers who say in as many words that they do so because they're living vicariously through him, and b) Carla, who is universally sex-positive, but also lives vicariously because the expresssion of her own positivity has been drastically curtailed by her extreme fecundity)
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:24 (four years ago) link
shhh y'all are making me want to get into cheers
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:25 (four years ago) link
sic otm
the most problematic aspect of it is Sam and Diane's relationship, and on last viewing I thought the way that played out was actually better than I had remembered it. See the Cheers poll thread I guess.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:25 (four years ago) link
Brad, do it!
― mh, Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:28 (four years ago) link
I remember Cheers being soooo good but I haven't seen an episode in over 1-2 decades.
― Yerac, Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:28 (four years ago) link
for ex., in the *third* episode of the show there's a subplot about a patron who's confused about what to do about his son's interracial relationship which also turns out to be a homosexual one (this reveal is played as a joke on Coach, who is of course initially confused). But the way its resolved is with the dad spontaneously coming to the conclusion that he must accept his son as he is because he loves him and wants him in his life. This is not how the vast majority of other 80s sitcoms would have handled that setup.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:28 (four years ago) link
plus it's funny! The writing is filled with tons of great throwaway lines/gags
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:30 (four years ago) link
I just read that Frasier doesn't show up until season three and comes on the show as Diane's love interest, which I guess checks out but I swear I remember him as a recurring guest before then. I'm probably just remembering episodes out of order!
― mh, Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:31 (four years ago) link
i think he isn't initially diane's fiance but they get together shortly after he appears? definitely doesn't show up til season 3
― VAR me to the end of yawn (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link
it's weird that I liked Frasier on Cheers but I really did not like the show Frasier.
― Yerac, Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:34 (four years ago) link
initially diane's fiance but they get together shortly after he appears
Frasier debuts as Sam's therapist!
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:35 (four years ago) link
the show Frasier is garbage also fwiw
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:36 (four years ago) link
Shakey offtm, but it's no Cheers
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:40 (four years ago) link
Frasier is a different genre of sitcom, it's a definite shift into the '90s upper-class urbanites style and away from the working-class of Cheers, which was more in the vein of Taxi and WKRP et al in that regard. It's still good imo.
― omar little, Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:41 (four years ago) link
Frasier had some good characters but all of the running plot devices wore thin really quickly, imo
we get it, Frasier's brother has the hots for their dad's therapist but he's married, whatever
― mh, Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:51 (four years ago) link
when did they add cheers to netflix and what other older sitcoms are available? taxi? bewitched? the andy griffith show??
― Mordy, Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:53 (four years ago) link
(just checked - no, no, surprisingly yes)
the entirety of Cheers has been on Netflix for several years
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:54 (four years ago) link
taxi is streaming on hulu btw
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:55 (four years ago) link
in the *third* episode of the show there's a subplot about a patron who's confused about what to do about his son's interracial relationship which also turns out to be a homosexual one
Third episode on DVD, second episode aired! It took all the way until the 16th episode (aired Jan 27 1983) before they did one about gay athletes coming out and mocking homophobia
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 27 June 2019 21:01 (four years ago) link
is that the "Cheers is turning into a gay bar!" episode? Cuz that one's also surprisingly great.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 June 2019 21:05 (four years ago) link
yah, titled The Boys In The Bar. time capsule: Norm is terrified that if Sam allows homos in, the bar might get ferns next.
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 27 June 2019 21:25 (four years ago) link
tbf in that episode the joke(s) are all on the homophobes
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 June 2019 21:28 (four years ago) link
time capsule: Norm is terrified that if Sam allows homos in, the bar might get ferns next.
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, June 27, 2019 2:25 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol tho
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 27 June 2019 21:31 (four years ago) link
watch a bunch of S1 and meet us in the Cheers thread Brad!
Frasier is built on a farce engine, so while a lot of its lols are built on putting characters who don't change into situations where we can predict their base reaction, it's not like other US '90s sitcoms where it's just maneuvering them to say their catchphrases each week. The individual gags and verbal zings are going to be bespoke each time, and much of the pleasure comes in admiring the plotting that moves the ppl into positions of embarrassment or hubris or getting caught fucking or w/e
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 27 June 2019 21:39 (four years ago) link
I started casually watching Cheers from the start a while back and remember being impressed with how much of a non-bro Sam was. Which probably can be chalked up at least in part to Danson, who's always seemed like a mensch.
― I Ate Those Food (Old Lunch), Thursday, 27 June 2019 21:55 (four years ago) link
yeah, mostly. there was that whole blackface thing...
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 June 2019 21:57 (four years ago) link
(which tbf did NOT occur on Cheers, just fyi Brad)
ha, just like, don't wait for the sam malone dating whoopi goldberg episode.
― Yerac, Thursday, 27 June 2019 21:59 (four years ago) link
anyway fwiw Best CHEERS character
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 June 2019 22:00 (four years ago) link
Is the relationship between Friends and "kids today" the same as with gen x and BB? I was under the impression gen z Friends lovers are preppy/basic people ie the same people who liked it when it 1st aired, and don't view it with layer of ironic detachment like was done w BB.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 27 June 2019 22:02 (four years ago) link
yeah no self-respecting Gen Xer unironically like the BB - it was all omg look at those ugly clothes and remember that time they tried to sing lol "Johnny Bravo"
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 June 2019 22:06 (four years ago) link
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Nike just let Kyrie Irving make this
no I don't know either
― Number None, Thursday, 27 June 2019 22:17 (four years ago) link
would buy if i had money and maybe was 10 years or so younger
― VAR me to the end of yawn (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 27 June 2019 22:18 (four years ago) link
Lorre is only redeemed by having worked on Roseanne the TMNT cartoon theme.
Did nothing result from the Friends homophobia supercut created a few years back?
― Vernon Locke, Thursday, 27 June 2019 22:50 (four years ago) link
Aside from the Friends tag, those sneakers are A+
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 27 June 2019 22:52 (four years ago) link
grumpy observation: I want to skip ahead like 10 years or however long it takes to where this extreme nostalgia for Friends and Frasier is over and done withthey were decent shows at the time & i mildly enjoyed them but ffs living through it once was more than enough
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 28 June 2019 02:08 (four years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Thursday, June 27, 2019 3:06 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i mean Friends is a little bit "omg look at those ugly clothes and remember that time they got excited to go see Hootie and the Blowfish?"
― omar little, Friday, 28 June 2019 02:20 (four years ago) link
one blessing in disguise is that E.R. seems to be left behind.
― omar little, Friday, 28 June 2019 02:21 (four years ago) link
wait til the Game of Thrones nostalgia sets in in 2036
― Roz, Friday, 28 June 2019 02:30 (four years ago) link
― omar little, Thursday, June 27, 2019 7:20 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you can get all of this through sabrina the teenage witch
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 28 June 2019 02:33 (four years ago) link
ahah that 2 1/2 men article about the finale !I didn't even know that show still existed. How come they managed to go on so long after Sheen left ? Whatever the quality of the show with Sheen, it completely relied on him so I don't understand why people who enjoyed the show kept watching it after he was kicked out...aaah TV...
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 28 June 2019 08:29 (four years ago) link
I am subtly trying to google what the anal sex jokes were on 2 and 1/2 Men while my spouse eats his cheerios next to me and I am by far only embarrassed that I am looking up 2 and 1/2 Men.
― Yerac, Friday, 28 June 2019 13:21 (four years ago) link