'Jackie Brown' is a great fucking movie.

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yeah from what I remember it's not fully there, but Django is such a mess... H8 is talky by necessity and I was gripped by it tho I realize ymmv, but I saw it in 70mm, not sure if when I'm going to revisit it. I need to revisit IB first.

flappy bird, Thursday, 18 July 2019 16:19 (four years ago) link

i think her editing was incredibly skillful though i don't want to lay all the credit at her doorstep. i think QT has a gift for tension in scenes leading up to a violent event, a tension that she probably helped along or maybe even partially created with her editing. i'm not a huge fan of Death Proof but i think for example the editing in the scene w/the car ride and head-on collision is ridiculously good (not to take away from the directing either).

omar little, Thursday, 18 July 2019 17:26 (four years ago) link

Am I the only one who prefers DU to IB? The scenes with the Basterds are just so terrible that it slightly ruins it for me. Apart from the bravura set-pieces, it doesnt add up to much really imo. Django has its flaws but its v enjoyable and Samuel L's turn in it is his best role ever.

. (Michael B), Thursday, 18 July 2019 17:42 (four years ago) link

His staging changes more than the writing does imo. Both show-off monologues, and redundant back & forths, from IB on start being shot in long takes on soundstages rather than dynamically in locations or more naturalistic sets. Probably because it worked so well for Waltz on that one (and he claims he cut an entire featuresworth of an action movie about Brad Pitt’s crew out of that, which may have changed its tenor).

The actorly showcasing & Goggins repeating things worked for me in the 70mm version of H8ful too. It comes off as more forced at times in the super-extended / episodic version, but nbd.

Django just basically sucks.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 18 July 2019 17:52 (four years ago) link

For me the rot had fully set in w/Basterds - it just felt like completely aimless wheel-spinning, insanely flabby scenes that went nowhere, performed by actors doing wacky voices and accents, expecting the audience to indulge & be impressed by anything as long as it was “a long take”. I haven’t seen it since I failed to make it through a DVD rental viewing in 2010 or so, but I have a strong memory of so many boring dialogues of people ordering food, being served food, & talking about food - the lowest form of lazy screenwriter page-filling imo.

One Eye Open, Friday, 19 July 2019 03:40 (four years ago) link

But there are plenty of threads for me to piss & whine about nu-Tarantino, instead of this thread to celebrate the greatness of Jackie Brown. Another detail I love - Tiny Lister’s quietly haunted delivery of “I found him” after Ordell had been killed.

One Eye Open, Friday, 19 July 2019 04:05 (four years ago) link

don’t touch my levels

brimstead, Friday, 19 July 2019 04:59 (four years ago) link

^^^

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 19 July 2019 05:20 (four years ago) link

Jackie Brown is a great fucking movie imo

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 July 2019 05:30 (four years ago) link

t I have a strong memory of so many boring dialogues of people ordering food, being served food, & talking about food

Lol there is literally only one scene where this happens, its comparatively short

Οὖτις, Friday, 19 July 2019 14:11 (four years ago) link

I liked Django

Vape Store (crüt), Friday, 19 July 2019 14:15 (four years ago) link

the best thing about this movie is Jackie's character arc, or more accurately the way Jackie's character is gradually revealed to us, mostly through Max: initially we're worried about her, then charmed, and finally frightened by her

One of QT's most sensible moves was calling it "Jackie Brown" instead of Rum Punch ... it's typical of Leonard to stick a throw-away title like Rum Punch on this novel, no big deal because he'd already written a couple of dozen others just as good

Brad C., Friday, 19 July 2019 14:49 (four years ago) link

I like the title Rum Punch because it reminds me of this quote from Paul McCartney - "This substance cannabis is a whole lot less harmful than rum punch, whisky, nicotine and glue, all of which are perfectly legal..."

Also, the new title now undercuts the power of the opening sentence to George V Higgins' The Friends of Eddie Coyle - "Jackie Brown at twenty-six, with no expression on his face, said that he could get some guns."

Ward Fowler, Friday, 19 July 2019 15:01 (four years ago) link

I love Michael Keaton’s bouncy walk in this. And the moment when Max drops his keys on the way to the office with Ordell. A small thing, but they finished the take and it adds this tiny unpolished detail.

dinnerboat, Sunday, 21 July 2019 15:08 (four years ago) link

Finally had the time to get around to rewatching this inspired by this revive, and enjoyed every second as expected. Havent watched pulp fiction in a lot of years but I cant imagine it holding up better than this. For all its merits there is no getting around some super hammy acting in PF, where JB seems far and away to have the best acting all around of any tarantino.

Weirdly, one of the only things I *don't* love is Ordell's "you used to be beautiful" line - it seems to poetic & screenwriter-y to me & takes me out of the movie a little bit.

I admire how all the bag-switching is handled so easily & seems way less confusing than it could otherwise be, just kind of patiently showing you what you need to see until you see it all. I feel like a lot of filmmakers, even tarantino not long after this, would have explained it all a lot more garishly with dumb freeze frames and graphics and whatnot.

New little thing I was thinking about this time while closely watching DeNiro was a personal theory that (in addition to just being shy & a dumbass) I think his character is also deathly afraid of Ordell, to the point where he's trying hard to keep calm & not let it show during their scenes together. Could just be a too-charitable reading of his general fidgety DeNiro-isms, but I liked the way it made me think about the character a little differently. He and Ordell go back 20 years, he is & always has been a barfly-thug-fuckup while Ordell has turned into this relatively successful & brutal smooth operator, maybe not unlike the guys that would have been hiring & pushing around DeNiro's character 15 years prior, but now after spending 4 years in jail he finds his old friend has turned into one of those guys and it freaks him out. He's clearly very impressed by Ordell - he always pushes back whenever Bridget Fonda badmouths Ordell - but he's also maybe frightened of how Ordell has become something he can't relate to anymore.

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 15:52 (four years ago) link

a+ ty

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 16:22 (four years ago) link

I admire how all the bag-switching is handled so easily & seems way less confusing than it could otherwise be, just kind of patiently showing you what you need to see until you see it all. I feel like a lot of filmmakers, even tarantino not long after this, would have explained it all a lot more garishly with dumb freeze frames and graphics and whatnot.

right. that or nolan-style completely incomprehensible direction.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 16:37 (four years ago) link

Alongside with that, for a film with so many double and triple-crosses, they're not really depicted via big audience-surprising twists or reveals in the way that lesser crime & con genre movies do (and that I think audiences have now come to expect). If you're following what the characters are saying you pretty much know what's going on for the entire movie. The movie pretty much tells you what the double- and triple crosses are going to be, then takes pains to slowly show them to you. The 2nd bag switching sequence that we return to three times, from jackies pov, then louis & melanies, then max's - by the time we get the sequence with max's pov its pretty clear how max figures into the plan and what we're about to see him do. It just becomes about observing character through action.

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 16:55 (four years ago) link

There are obv twists w/r/t plot such as louis shooting melanie and etc, but the schemes in play are never really farther ahead of the audience's understanding.

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 17:00 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

jeez, Forster has 186 credits on the iMdB.

Made quite a bare-assed impression in his first film Reflections in a Golden Eye.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 12 October 2019 03:42 (four years ago) link

robert forster was a fox
goddamn he was a handsome mfer

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 October 2019 03:42 (four years ago) link

AV Club Interview From 2000

O: I don't want you to give your act away, but one item on the menu that intrigued me was "A Chilling Brando Story." Can you tell me what that is?

RF: It's a story about respect. You want the story?

O: Sure.

RF: This is my closer, by the way. It's four or five minutes long, so relax. In the same week in which John Huston gave me my very first acting advice, and it is a great piece of advice—that's the top of that list, the John Huston story—but in the same week in which Huston gave me that piece of acting advice, I met Marlon Brando. We were shooting starting at noon and finishing at midnight. I was playing a private, we were out on the drilling field, and there were lots of other guys dressed like me; we were drilling and doing army stuff. Late in the afternoon of the fourth or fifth day of shooting, preceded by a whisper, [voice drops to a whisper] "Marlon's here. Here comes Marlon. Marlon's on the set." Everybody looks. Yep, there he is, Marlon Brando. John Huston breaks the set up, he starts walking over there, and he turns back to me and says, [imitating Huston] "Come on over here, Bobby, I want to introduce you to Marl." I walk over, I'm introduced to Marlon, they blah blah for a minute. Marlon says to me, [imitating Brando] "When do you break for dinner?" I say, "In an hour or so." He says, "Well, come on over to my Winnebago and we'll have a little conversation." We break for dinner and I go over to his Winnebago. We're sitting there in the Winnebago, and you know how they're set up: There's a couple of bench seats and a little table, and there's a picture window. The picture window looks out over everybody out there on the set. We're talking and Marlon's looking out the window a little bit. We're talking, and he's still looking out the window once in a while. He turns to me and says, "Where's your dressing room?" I said, "Well, you know, I'm over there. I'm fine." I came from the theater, and I was used to dressing in the bathroom if necessary. They'd given me a little corner with a drape on it where all the guys were dressing up as privates, and I knew it was a little bit of a loaded question, so in response to, "Where's your dressing room?" I say, "I'm over there. I'm fine." He's looking out the window a little bit more. He spots somebody. He gets up. He walks to the front door. He opens up the door. He points to the first assistant [director], a big tall guy, and the guy comes running over. "What do you need, Marlon?" Marlon looks at him and he points at me. He says, "This actor hasn't got a dressing room. He's dressing with the extras." That's something I hadn't told him, something he determined on his own. I'm thinking, "Why is this guy putting the heat on me? I didn't ask him to." The first assistant is, "Oh, but…" as he's wringing his hands, and he's saying, "Marlon, I'm sorry, but there weren't enough Winnebagos because of the tennis tournament," or because it's Long Island or because of this or because of that. Marlon says, "But, by the way, when we go to Italy he'll have a great dressing room." And when we got to Italy I had a great dressing room. He dismisses the first assistant, but by now everybody on the set, though they couldn't hear what Marlon was talking about in front of his dressing room, they saw the body language of the first assistant and knew something was going on. Something was wrong, and now he's got everybody's attention. Now he points to the biggest guy on the set, one of the producers. I forget who it was; let's call him Phil. "Phil," he yells to Phil. He points, and Phil comes over. "Yeah, Marlon, what is it? What is it, Marlon?" "Phil," and he looks Phil straight in the eyes. I'm inches away from all of this. He says, "Phil, I'm very, very upset." And he eyeballs Phil for a long time, 12 or 15 seconds, enough time for sweat to start forming on Phil's upper lip. I'm thinking, "Oh, please, please, please don't let it be my dressing room he's so upset about." Finally, in answer to the question Phil and I are both asking ourselves—what's he so upset about?—Marlon says, "Phil, there's too many folks around here. They're making me nervous." "What do you need, Marlon?" "I need some tranquilizers, Phil." "Right away, Marlon. What kind do you need?" He tells him what kind he needs. He says, "I'll be right back." He starts to leave. Marlon says, "Phil. Phil." Phil comes back. "What is it, Marlon?" "Phil, there's no music in this Winnebago. I'd like to hear some music. A little classical music to make me feel better." "Right away, Marlon. Right away." He starts to leave. "Phil. Phil." Phil comes back. "Something with a couple of speakers, Phil." Phil leaves. Thirty minutes later, he's got a big guy with him carrying a big record player, two speakers, and a stack of classical records. The guy brings it in, he installs it in seconds, and he's out the door. Phil gives the tranquilizers to Marlon. "Anything else I can do for you?" "No, Phil, you did great. I appreciate it very much." "Anything you need, you just let us know, Marlon." "Phil, you did great, I appreciate it very much." He shoos Phil out the door, closes the door, sits back down, and watches Phil walk back to the other producers. We're waiting to find out whether we're going to work tomorrow or not. He watches them for a while, and then he turns to me and he says this: "You see, if you don't scare them, they will never respect you, all right?" I learned three important things. Number one, I learned that the word "respect" has polar opposite meanings. At one end of the meaning of the word, respect is the thing that people give you if you've got a hammer over their head. At the extreme opposite end of the meaning of the same word is the thing that people give you if they love you, if they're not afraid of you, and if they want you to succeed. Number two, I realized what passed for respect in Hollywood, and that's who's got the hammer. And number three, I realized that if I ever got any of this respect, I wanted it to come from the other meaning of the word, where you don't have to worry about getting stabbed in the back. I tell my children—and part of this program, by the way, is about parenting—that life is short. It's an arc: First you're born and you can't take care of yourself, then you can take care of yourself, and then for most of your life you have to take care of others until the very end, when you can't take care of yourself anymore. You've got to rely on the ones you've parented. "You'd better do a good job, Bob," I say to myself. I realized that life is a series of moments along this arc, moments at which you can deliver excellence, or less, if you desire. But if you do deliver excellence, you get that reward, and I've built up a metaphor during this program of what you get when you deliver excellence to any job of any kind: You get the reward of self-respect and respect from others and satisfaction. And this is the real McCoy. This is untransferrable wealth. You stick this in your pocket and it's like a little nugget; it'll always be there. If you're ever wondering what to do right now, and if you're ever asking yourself, "What shall I do with this job that I've got right now?"… If I apply the simple formula that I'm going to do this job as good as I can, that and a little practice gives me excellence almost every time. And when you're delivering excellence every time, you get that reward I keep mentioning. And if you happen to be getting that reward on a frequent enough basis, you know… Those in both religious traditions, the Eastern and the Western, talk about a path: the path of righteousness. If you're getting these rewards on a frequent basis, you're on that path. And if you're one of the ones who believe in a heaven, this is the path right to it. But if you're one of the ones who believe that inner peace is the best life has to offer, you know precisely what you're doing when you wake up in the morning. You're using your life and your life experiences to understand with, and with every action you create, you deliver that understanding. You're doing what an artist does: using his life to understand and deliver that understanding with every act you create. And if you're doing that, and you're getting those rewards on a frequent enough basis, you're making the best that you can out of the life you've got to live. End of program.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 12 October 2019 04:06 (four years ago) link

amen.

such a decent-seeming, humble guy.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 October 2019 04:15 (four years ago) link

RIP Robert Forster, and in honor of his acting style, that’s all I’m going to say.

— That Polter Geist (@mattzollerseitz) October 12, 2019

flappy bird, Saturday, 12 October 2019 04:50 (four years ago) link

otfm

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 October 2019 04:56 (four years ago) link

That’s quite an interview, damn

Οὖτις, Saturday, 12 October 2019 05:01 (four years ago) link

Rest In Peace.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 12 October 2019 07:48 (four years ago) link

now i want to hear the John Huston story!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 12 October 2019 15:59 (four years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tpyV1tjwQM

piscesx, Saturday, 12 October 2019 16:26 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

My friend Scott and I are still plugging away on our Zoom conversations about pop music in movies; we did Jackie Brown, our 50th, last week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll9CS9vsECE

We've had a running joke keeping track of all our egregious gaffes, and in this one, I call the conveyor-belt opening an allusion to The Godfather, rather than what I meant to say, The Graduate. Obviously, people get those two films confused all the time, what with both starting with 'G.' Ghostbusters, too.

clemenza, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:24 (three years ago) link

And Gremlins.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:30 (three years ago) link

it's a note perfect allusion to the grinch (2018)

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 17:03 (three years ago) link

Great discussion. I don't know if I already knew that JB had become the consensus-favourite QT film, but it feels a bit vindicating: I remember seeing the film in a nearly empty theatre at the time (admittedly, a few weeks into its run) and there being a general feeling QT fatigue at the time even among people who had been all over Pulp Fiction a few years earlier. I still suspect that the film is more of a favourite among fans of a certain age--I hear Pulp Fiction and Inglourious Basterds routinely cited among people younger than me (I like the latter, but no way is it even close to his best)--rather than everyone's favourite, but I'm still pleased that so many have come around to my way of thinking.

Langdon Alger Stole the Highlights (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 17:14 (three years ago) link

i remember the enthusiasm being a little more muted toward jackie brown when it came out, so when i finally got around to it i wasn't sure what to expect, and it totally blew me away. i think i may run younger than most people who think it's his best, but it's so obviously his best lol

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 17:31 (three years ago) link

one reason Jackie Brown is QT's best is because it's his only film that handles violence and its consequences with some humanity, thanks to the source material

his fantasy violence works for me in Kill Bill but not so much elsewhere

Brad C., Wednesday, 9 December 2020 17:46 (three years ago) link

also the love story between grier and forster is so well-developed and there's such a heartening "life doesn't end just because you got older" undercurrent running through it, and i'd be hard-pressed to even think of another movie that does the same or as effectively

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 17:50 (three years ago) link

Thanks, crypto. I probably wasn't clear enough: I think Jackie Brown is the favourite here, on ILX--that's my sense--but in the world at large, it's still Pulp Fiction by a wide margin. PF is 72nd on TSPDT's big list; JB isn't even in the Top 1,000.

clemenza, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 17:51 (three years ago) link

also the love story between grier and forster is so well-developed and there's such a heartening "life doesn't end just because you got older" undercurrent running through it, and i'd be hard-pressed to even think of another movie that does the same or as effectively

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson

It's Tarantino's Ozu film.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 17:57 (three years ago) link

yes!!!!

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 17:59 (three years ago) link

i remember talk from QT, perhaps disappointed Jackie Brown didnt set the world on fire the way pulp fiction had, saying he was never going to work from someone elses source material again, which is where he stepped off the cliff creatively imo

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 18:06 (three years ago) link

i was doing post-grad at uni when it came out & my jock friends & normcore friends were all UGH THAT WAS BORING but my film school friends were like THAT WAS SO GREAT

it was def seen as a boring left turn by the Tarantino fans who’d been expecting more of the Reservoir Dogs/Pulp Fiction zip-zap dialogue & shoot em ups

i had already been getting into Elmore Leonard after Get Shorty came out in 95 so I think that helped a lot. anyway was all about Jackie Brown - plus the soundtrack & just the slow easy vibe of it, it was immediately a favorite

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 18:44 (three years ago) link

ten months pass...

one reason Jackie Brown is QT's best is because it's his only film that handles violence and its consequences with some humanity, thanks to the source material

― Brad C., Wednesday, December 9, 2020 12:46 PM (ten months ago) bookmarkflaglink

lag∞n, Sunday, 24 October 2021 21:50 (two years ago) link

great fucking movie imo

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 October 2021 21:58 (two years ago) link

the chemistry between Forster & Grier is so incredible, and 90% is just from the way they look at each other! i could watch a trilogy of movies of them together

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 24 October 2021 23:04 (two years ago) link

The Leonard movie adaption I saw as a teenager and really would like to see again is "52 Pick Up" with Roy Scheider and Ann Margaret. I remember it being really sleazy but digging it as a teenager on HBO.

earlnash, Monday, 25 October 2021 00:14 (two years ago) link

Is Get Shorty any better or worse as source material? I found that entertaining and immediately forgettable; for me, 95% of Jackie Brown's greatness is in the casting (starting with Forster & Grier, but literally every principal besides).

clemenza, Monday, 25 October 2021 00:25 (two years ago) link

Get Shorty was a pretty good read, but I don't really remember any part of it being that different than the movie. That movie has a really killer cast too outside the main rolls too...Delroy Lindo, Dennis Farina, Danny DeVito, James Gandofini etc.

earlnash, Monday, 25 October 2021 00:31 (two years ago) link

I bought 52 Pick-Up on Blu-Ray last year. It's just as sleazy as you remember. Clarence Williams III and John Glover are amazing in it.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 25 October 2021 00:53 (two years ago) link

Get Shorty is better as source material, but it adapts so well to a light (crime) comedy flick because it’s a very slight Leonard. You could knock it over in an afternoon if you do wanna check it out

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 25 October 2021 03:43 (two years ago) link


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