I got the last laugh on his posh bigoted mum when his older brother (who was quite well known in W Yorkshire because he was the model on the Opera North poster) was taken to hospital then prison after a huge condom of coke split open in his stomach on flight from Indonesia or somewhere like that. tossers!
I... am not quite seeing how this constitutes u getting the last laugh tbh
― Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 25 July 2019 23:43 (five years ago) link
because she described my family as appalling and her son was a fucking drug mule!
― calzino, Thursday, 25 July 2019 23:45 (five years ago) link
sorry an upper middle-class drug mule.
― calzino, Thursday, 25 July 2019 23:46 (five years ago) link
and his mum was quite a big voice in what you could fairly call the posh catholic mafia. Involved in the local PTA and all that shite that your own parents wouldn't be let anywhere near!
― calzino, Thursday, 25 July 2019 23:52 (five years ago) link
I hope that bit of consummate and shameless poor mouthing clears it up for ya!
― calzino, Thursday, 25 July 2019 23:56 (five years ago) link
admirably, calz, admirably
have ye all voted lads
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 00:05 (five years ago) link
As an American, confusion over class identity is my proud birthright.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 00:15 (five years ago) link
to answer an aimless q upthread: it's not an accident that the "four self-made yorkshiremen" sketch was first performed by three cambridge graduates "doing" a yorkshire accent, plus marty feldman (east end london jewish working-class)* as the fourth (in its original pre-python form). jokes abt the observable fact made by ppl not really from the background mocked -- and moreover jokes that land -- are as ukanian as the original posh-or-not question. (
a LOT of code-shifting goes on the UK, in all directions, amplifying elements of yr accent to suit where you are. some ppl are so good at this that no one spots and judgments re "where yr coming from" are wildly awry; other ppl are bad at it. everyone laughs at the bad ones, but the good ones are probably the danger
we are living thru a a glut of fancy foax pedal-to-the-metal on "being working class" by citing what parents or even grandparents did: which is to say relatively achieved-posh foax playing at the opposite. but this is not new either (chesterton had a lot of fun with this same phenom in the 1910s).
anyway: tldr posh is a shifting cultural marker for a class reality, which as often as not obscures the reality bcz everyday life is for everyone a weave of difft performances in difft contexts, and strong performance will always be admired and mimicked
*feldman also co-wrote the famous "class" sketch for the frost report, which featured cleese, ronnie barker and ronnie corbett
― mark s, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 11:08 (five years ago) link
jokes abt the observable fact made by ppl not really from the background mocked -- and moreover jokes that land -- are as ukanian as the original posh-or-not question.
took me a while to work out the relevance of ukraine to this thread
― another no-holds-barred Tokey Wedge adventure for men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 11:24 (five years ago) link
ukania: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Nairn#Outline_of_his_arguments
― mark s, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 11:29 (five years ago) link
insania: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu2LjdaLOMc
― another no-holds-barred Tokey Wedge adventure for men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 11:32 (five years ago) link
Four Yorkshiremen sketch is possibly more about Yorkshire than class?
― Arthur Lowe & Love (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 12:15 (five years ago) link
in my judgment no, given its original writer and performers: it's abt the performance of a specific kind of yorkshireness as a class weapon (upwards and downwards)
but yes it's abt both -- and actually i'm not sure what metric you'd bring to measure "more about" and "less about"?
― mark s, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 12:18 (five years ago) link
"how can we know the dancer from the dance?" as some non-ukanian once asked
― mark s, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 12:21 (five years ago) link
I'm not sure either.
― Arthur Lowe & Love (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 12:21 (five years ago) link
The Gammon Phenomena was instructive as you had a bunch of middle class media wankers, who hate and fear the working classes, rushing to the defence of the Gammoners on the assumption that, because the original Gammon 9 had Yorkshire accents, they must be w/c and, as such, being unfairly attacked by middle class media wankers like themselves. This despite the fact that the G9 were obviously golf club/ Rotary Club Northern Tory types. I saw one of the leading Gammoners on another discussion show not long after and he was a farmer who, surprise surprise, employed dozens of EU workers to pick whatever crops they grow in Yorkshire.
― Arthur Lowe & Love (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 12:31 (five years ago) link
Tea, mostly
― Mr Jolyon Posts Next Door (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 12:36 (five years ago) link
comedy marmalade is britain's future iirc
― mark s, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 12:45 (five years ago) link
Peas, if this advert is to be believed... which it isn't...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qT39e68G48
― Arthur Lowe & Love (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 12:47 (five years ago) link
when I look at a piece o' dog shit it reminds me of me fatha! ee by gum
― calzino, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 12:51 (five years ago) link
I see barley, caulies, cabbages, rapeseed ... and erm other stuff as well, but I only see peas in the supermarket - where we have to queue for them because of shortages. Ah those rarefied green gems are always worth waiting 3 hours for.
― calzino, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 13:02 (five years ago) link
mmm peas and gammon.
― calzino, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 13:07 (five years ago) link
Mushy or gtfo
― Mr Jolyon Posts Next Door (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 13:12 (five years ago) link
let's not litigate this again, it nearly tore the board apart the last time
― another no-holds-barred Tokey Wedge adventure for men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 13:13 (five years ago) link
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/31/54/38/31543857e5d8733ed5597b9b381d0581.jpg
― mark s, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 13:15 (five years ago) link
I love my mushy peas quite unhealthy i.e. with a few spoons of sugar, a baby handful of salt and a decent sized lump of butter melted in them.
― calzino, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 13:16 (five years ago) link
(example, a man eating peas with the idea that they will improve his virility shoves them straight up his urethra)
― another no-holds-barred Tokey Wedge adventure for men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 13:16 (five years ago) link
"how do you like your mushy peas in the morning, baby?"
is probably one of the most underrated chat-up lines ever.
― calzino, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 13:21 (five years ago) link
see how I subtly code-shifted the conversation, I'm just disguises all the way down is my answer to the poll
― Mr Jolyon Posts Next Door (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 13:24 (five years ago) link
― another no-holds-barred Tokey Wedge adventure for men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 13:13 (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
no do let's
it might tear the board apart this time
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 13:38 (five years ago) link
actually yeah you're right
fuck mushy peas and anyone who likes them
― another no-holds-barred Tokey Wedge adventure for men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 13:44 (five years ago) link
*smashes a bottle of Sarson's on the bar*
― seven against feebs (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 13:49 (five years ago) link
great thread to watch from the nosebleed seats
― untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 13:50 (five years ago) link
oh there'll be nosebleeds alright
― another no-holds-barred Tokey Wedge adventure for men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 13:53 (five years ago) link
saw a pea signal in the sky summoning me.. I'm ready to fight this war again and again.
MUSHY PEAS ALL THE WAY, ALL THE TIME.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 13:57 (five years ago) link
this is good but can we find a way to work in ronaldinho bottle openers, tipping and poptimism too
― another no-holds-barred Tokey Wedge adventure for men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 13:59 (five years ago) link
A lot of what mark s is describing regarding "my granny grew up in a shed" sounds like upper-middle-class to me, IE not posh - none of Monty Python afaik were proper posh, posh is the citadel which no-one enters and no-one leaves. Which is one of the reasons why the difference of the reactions to Kate Middleton and Meghan Markle are fascinating (in very small doses).
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 14:16 (five years ago) link
posh is the citadel which no-one enters and no-one leaves:
Catherine Elizabeth Middleton was born at the Royal Berkshire Hospital in Reading on 9 January 1982 into an upper-middle-class family.[13][14][15][16][17]
― mark s, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 14:23 (five years ago) link
(oops i might have ital-ed the thread there)
― mark s, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 14:24 (five years ago) link
(ok i didn't)
Hot peas in vinegar >>>>>>>>>> mushy peas
― Arthur Lowe & Love (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 14:26 (five years ago) link
Good enough for Jimmy...
https://culturedarm.com/food-in-fiction-hot-peas-and-vinegar-in-two-gallants/
― Arthur Lowe & Love (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 14:28 (five years ago) link
You could do a whole Joyce cookbook and somebody probably has
― seven against feebs (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 14:31 (five years ago) link
at least the peas are hot, only poshos eat cold ones!
― calzino, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 14:32 (five years ago) link
https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1015047-green-pea-guacamole
― mark s, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 14:35 (five years ago) link
when I think of Gammon I suppose if they came from generations of farming, their ancestors might have felt their noses put out of joint by the rise in status and rights and importance of the urban working classes (that's all gone now) - especially in the days when allegedly farmers were dirt poor and not recipients of huge subsidies for every time they say "this moi land" or batter a badger to death. Hence why they are such bloated, angry, tory kulak bastardos who are loyal to landed gentry only. I occasionally walk past this farmer and the murderous contempt in his eyes and complete lack of civility when I say alright to him just encourages me to wang the odd empty can into his field.
― calzino, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 15:05 (five years ago) link
farmers have a different relationship to human society than do others ime.
an inch or less behind their greedy, resentful pig eyes is the ingrained knowledge that slaughter is an option in any disagreement.
some dark belief system that plugs easily into that wicker man, brutal-be-nature certainty that we're just another animal.
and the land, that thing about the land.
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 15:14 (five years ago) link
cash poor, land rich
― untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 15:16 (five years ago) link
also they smell like silage
― another no-holds-barred Tokey Wedge adventure for men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 15:17 (five years ago) link
unsure if uk silage is the same, but that was true of my grandfather in these lands
― untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 15:18 (five years ago) link