Bernie doesn't have a capitalist bone in his body
― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:15 (four years ago) link
none of this stupid shit matters
― k3vin k., Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:18 (four years ago) link
"Bernie bros"antifadeep state
antifa
deep state
poll
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:18 (four years ago) link
neti pot kombucha lists bands
― Mordy, Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:19 (four years ago) link
I guess if you for some reason want to grant that those polls have any merit, a pragmatic solution would be to support bernie so these people don’t swing the election to trump. you know, for the good of the country
also for the math-challenged, 20% of 20% is 4%
― k3vin k., Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:21 (four years ago) link
yeah pretty much every DSA type I know thinks Warren is a wolf in sheep’s clothing & they’re already making efforts to kneecap her. also, knowing Bernie, assuming he doesn’t win the nom he’ll stay in the race way longer than necessary which will also hurt Warren
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:21 (four years ago) link
lol
― k3vin k., Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:23 (four years ago) link
in a bimodal distribution on a univariate ideological axis, warren is probably the ideological middle of the left part of the curve.
― wario in the streets, waluigi in the sheets (m bison), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:23 (four years ago) link
plus I think Warren might have difficulty gaining black voters’ enthusiasm compared to Biden/Sanders/Harris which puts her at a disadvantage
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:24 (four years ago) link
basically what I’m saying is this is gonna suck
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:25 (four years ago) link
let the goddamn 14 MONTHS play out
This myth that runnerup candidates MUST DROP OUT ASAP (and always have) is bullshit pushed by the Hillbots three years ago.
Politics is about a death struggle between options.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:26 (four years ago) link
you are right about the death struggle
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:26 (four years ago) link
“nice candidacy you have there, shame if something happened to it”
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:27 (four years ago) link
I do like the idea that Warren has been talking about jailing bankers and breaking up tech giants just to attract big donors and moderate suburban votes so she can win power and pursue her hidden agenda of governing like Bill Clinton.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:28 (four years ago) link
*extracts bone sample*
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:29 (four years ago) link
Death struggle or lemmings off a cliff
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:30 (four years ago) link
using "shut up and get in line" a year before an election is the most antidemocratic crap I can think of
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:33 (four years ago) link
Morbs nobody has to shut up and get in line now but we need to make peace with the fact that eventually some of us will have to
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:34 (four years ago) link
And it’s not necessarily leftists that will need to! It goes for anti-Bernie / anti-Warren crowds as well!
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:35 (four years ago) link
There's time. In the meantime, hurricanes!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:36 (four years ago) link
A lot of this anxiety stems from the fact that there are already tons of people telegraphing that they won't under any circumstances vote for this or that candidate due to perceived lack of ideological purity.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:39 (four years ago) link
caveat; I know your vote doesn’t actually matter Morbs since you live in a very special blue state instead of a normal one
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:40 (four years ago) link
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), 1. september 2019 19:28 (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
The way the senate's looking, I fear they all will govern like Bill Clinton :(
― Frederik B, Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:44 (four years ago) link
Many people can telegraph many things in September 2019. I just don't see the point of worrying now.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:45 (four years ago) link
not to mention the fucking Supreme Court (thanks people who didn’t vote Dem!) xp
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:46 (four years ago) link
People, especially dudes, love posturing on social media.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:47 (four years ago) link
I only do it on ilx
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:49 (four years ago) link
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, September 1, 2019 1:35 PM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
which is why even worrying about this dumb shit now is pointless. it’s beautiful outside, enjoy the summer!
― k3vin k., Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link
This is entirely in your head. To rehash something that has been done a million times on ILX, there's always a percentage of Democratic primary voters who vote GOP in the general and in 2016, Berniebros were more party-loyal than Hillary voters in 2008. Warren or Harris aren't going to do worse on that front than Clinton.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:56 (four years ago) link
As frustrating as it must be to most ilxors, the democratic nominee will be chosen by people, both ordinary voters and political insiders, the majority of whom do not closely resemble ilxors. This cold fact will be doubly true when it comes to the people who will choose the next president in November 2020.
I don't like this any better than you do, but I've had a longer time to get used to it.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:57 (four years ago) link
Morbs since you live in a very special blue state instead of a normal one
the first state to hate the Grifter, in spite of all the dumb hicks upstate who will vote for him
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 1 September 2019 18:29 (four years ago) link
knowing Bernie, assuming he doesn’t win the nom he’ll stay in the race way longer than necessary which will also hurt Warren
man what
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:10 (four years ago) link
longer "than necessary" for crut
like I said, special rules and new historical template for Bernie
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:18 (four years ago) link
like im currently giving money to both campaigns but people who think Bernie is somehow the problem in the current democratic field just absolutely baffle me
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:20 (four years ago) link
sorry i got way too worked up itt
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:21 (four years ago) link
i like bernie! i'm glad he's running!
Lol. I know this is the Berner thread, but guys, that's just pathetic whining.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:22 (four years ago) link
there is a distinct possibility that no candidate will go into the DNC with a majority of the delegates and either warren or sanders will need the others' delegates to get over the 50% threshold in the subsequent voting rounds so i think it would be real real cool if both sides would be nice to each other
― wario in the streets, waluigi in the sheets (m bison), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:26 (four years ago) link
Sanders is in second place in about half of the recent polls (i.e. ahead of Warren), so wringing your hands about how Bernie might "stay in too long" and "hurt Warren" at this point is kind of absurd. And the first place candidate is a guy whose brain appears to be melting a little more each time he's on stage, so I wouldn't count on him staying out front.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:29 (four years ago) link
xp agreed
i'm just still fucked up over 2016 & also frustrated with all my friends who are literally bernie or bust, it's sometimes hard to remind myself that most bernie supporters aren't like that
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:30 (four years ago) link
Even a lot of your friends who are "literally bernie or bust" are probably not literally bernie or bust. But yeah, that's objectively not that large a percentage of his supporters, nor was it last time.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:31 (four years ago) link
And the first place candidate is a guy whose brain appears to be melting a little more each time he's on stage, so I wouldn't count on him staying out front.
it hasn't really hurt his polling so far :/
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link
anyway i'm sorry, i'll stop being a str8 white dude catastrophizing on ilx
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:34 (four years ago) link
sorry crüt didn’t mean to come across as a jerk. the Bernie die-hards can be trying but tbh I think a lot of it’s just Twitter hardmanning by ppl who are likely not even in swing states
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:49 (four years ago) link
Bernie + warren combined is still below Biden in most polls ghttps://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primaries/democratic/national/) and that’s under the optimistic assumption that if either dropped out all voters would switch to the other (and it’s not just bernie busters who’d defect; a lot of Bernie first picks are Biden second picks, presumably many Warren second picks are for the other candidates)
― flopson, Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:54 (four years ago) link
flopson, that is not true. take harrisx out and most show bernie+warren totals > biden (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/sc/south_carolina_democratic_presidential_primary-6824.html)
im not saying to not pay attention to the harrisx poll, but its an aberration of sorts.
― wario in the streets, waluigi in the sheets (m bison), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:06 (four years ago) link
he's declining slightly but measurably, and a majority of folks responding to cold phone calls are still the sort of people who don't actually follow news and just recognise the word "Biden." though in current likelihood I'd rank the following
1: someone he respects convinces him to drop out and endorse Warren*2: his brain melts so much at an appearance that he has to be put into care3: the name-recognition lumpendemocrat abandon him
watched the Bernie / Killer Mike video this morning, that's some good praxis tbh
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:13 (four years ago) link
* though the main indicator of his senility is the ludicrous stubbornness shown by his insistence on running again when he has lost comprehensively every time before, and things like the "this story is God's exact truth, my word as a Biden" -> turns out every single detail of the story is incorrect, including his involvement -> "wtf, I know SOMETHING happened once and I was there, how dare anyone criticise me for misremembering 17 specifics that I insisted were accurate" from three days ago
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:18 (four years ago) link
interesting, so what’s up with Harrisx?
― flopson, Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:19 (four years ago) link
i haven't dug into their methodology, could be just how they collect their sample.
― wario in the streets, waluigi in the sheets (m bison), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:22 (four years ago) link