knowing Bernie, assuming he doesn’t win the nom he’ll stay in the race way longer than necessary which will also hurt Warren
man what
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:10 (four years ago) link
longer "than necessary" for crut
like I said, special rules and new historical template for Bernie
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:18 (four years ago) link
like im currently giving money to both campaigns but people who think Bernie is somehow the problem in the current democratic field just absolutely baffle me
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:20 (four years ago) link
sorry i got way too worked up itt
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:21 (four years ago) link
i like bernie! i'm glad he's running!
Lol. I know this is the Berner thread, but guys, that's just pathetic whining.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:22 (four years ago) link
there is a distinct possibility that no candidate will go into the DNC with a majority of the delegates and either warren or sanders will need the others' delegates to get over the 50% threshold in the subsequent voting rounds so i think it would be real real cool if both sides would be nice to each other
― wario in the streets, waluigi in the sheets (m bison), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:26 (four years ago) link
Sanders is in second place in about half of the recent polls (i.e. ahead of Warren), so wringing your hands about how Bernie might "stay in too long" and "hurt Warren" at this point is kind of absurd. And the first place candidate is a guy whose brain appears to be melting a little more each time he's on stage, so I wouldn't count on him staying out front.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:29 (four years ago) link
xp agreed
i'm just still fucked up over 2016 & also frustrated with all my friends who are literally bernie or bust, it's sometimes hard to remind myself that most bernie supporters aren't like that
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:30 (four years ago) link
Even a lot of your friends who are "literally bernie or bust" are probably not literally bernie or bust. But yeah, that's objectively not that large a percentage of his supporters, nor was it last time.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:31 (four years ago) link
And the first place candidate is a guy whose brain appears to be melting a little more each time he's on stage, so I wouldn't count on him staying out front.
it hasn't really hurt his polling so far :/
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link
anyway i'm sorry, i'll stop being a str8 white dude catastrophizing on ilx
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:34 (four years ago) link
sorry crüt didn’t mean to come across as a jerk. the Bernie die-hards can be trying but tbh I think a lot of it’s just Twitter hardmanning by ppl who are likely not even in swing states
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:49 (four years ago) link
Bernie + warren combined is still below Biden in most polls ghttps://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primaries/democratic/national/) and that’s under the optimistic assumption that if either dropped out all voters would switch to the other (and it’s not just bernie busters who’d defect; a lot of Bernie first picks are Biden second picks, presumably many Warren second picks are for the other candidates)
― flopson, Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:54 (four years ago) link
flopson, that is not true. take harrisx out and most show bernie+warren totals > biden (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/sc/south_carolina_democratic_presidential_primary-6824.html)
im not saying to not pay attention to the harrisx poll, but its an aberration of sorts.
― wario in the streets, waluigi in the sheets (m bison), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:06 (four years ago) link
he's declining slightly but measurably, and a majority of folks responding to cold phone calls are still the sort of people who don't actually follow news and just recognise the word "Biden." though in current likelihood I'd rank the following
1: someone he respects convinces him to drop out and endorse Warren*2: his brain melts so much at an appearance that he has to be put into care3: the name-recognition lumpendemocrat abandon him
watched the Bernie / Killer Mike video this morning, that's some good praxis tbh
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:13 (four years ago) link
* though the main indicator of his senility is the ludicrous stubbornness shown by his insistence on running again when he has lost comprehensively every time before, and things like the "this story is God's exact truth, my word as a Biden" -> turns out every single detail of the story is incorrect, including his involvement -> "wtf, I know SOMETHING happened once and I was there, how dare anyone criticise me for misremembering 17 specifics that I insisted were accurate" from three days ago
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:18 (four years ago) link
interesting, so what’s up with Harrisx?
― flopson, Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:19 (four years ago) link
i haven't dug into their methodology, could be just how they collect their sample.
― wario in the streets, waluigi in the sheets (m bison), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:22 (four years ago) link
literally 137% of Biden support is "He seems like a nice old white man" or "I sure would like Obama back right now"
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:29 (four years ago) link
someone, pref not Bernie, should ask him at the next debate why O hasn't endorsed him
― Simon H., Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:37 (four years ago) link
obama told him "you don't have to do this joe" lol
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:38 (four years ago) link
that same article went on to detail how obama’s provided a lot of advising and staff, iirc
― k3vin k., Sunday, 1 September 2019 23:13 (four years ago) link
Thanks Obama
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 2 September 2019 03:17 (four years ago) link
was he like keeping the advisors and staff in a shed out back or something
― Vape Store (crüt), Monday, 2 September 2019 05:17 (four years ago) link
running she deep state
― j., Monday, 2 September 2019 05:43 (four years ago) link
*the
I thought Obama's staffers were all busy advising the Tories and running a podcast network.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 2 September 2019 06:03 (four years ago) link
Biden would probably think the Theresa May playbook is exactly the way to go, though.
Maybe, but he's thinking of the Margaret Thatcher playbook.
― Simon H., Monday, 2 September 2019 06:27 (four years ago) link
so...dying?
― wario in the streets, waluigi in the sheets (m bison), Monday, 2 September 2019 12:50 (four years ago) link
that was a joek based on Biden mixing up Thatcher and May on multiple occasions
― Simon H., Monday, 2 September 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link
in my defense my joke was better because it was about thatcher being dead
― wario in the streets, waluigi in the sheets (m bison), Monday, 2 September 2019 18:32 (four years ago) link
it's funny bcz it's true
― mark s, Monday, 2 September 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link
Neera Tanden out here union busting. I wonder what editorial line the new ThinkProgress is going to take on the 2020 candidates?
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 05:31 (four years ago) link
she’s an arsehole
― prorogue mahone (||||||||), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 06:11 (four years ago) link
The Top 10 Candidates Meet: A Guide to Thursday’s DebateThe top Democrats will face off for the first time. Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren will be at the center.
at it again!
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 12 September 2019 12:15 (four years ago) link
“We need a mass movement to make her plans a reality, and we’re going to be a part of that work,” WFP director Maurice Mitchell said. “You don’t defeat the moderate wing of Democrats through thought pieces or pithy tweets, you defeat their politics through organizing.”
Mitchell is correct here — which makes the choice of Warren baffling.
If you read his quote out of context or without its pronouns, you might assume that Mitchell was praising Sanders, not Warren. After all, Sanders has made such organizing central to his campaign.
Sanders’s 2020 slogan is “Not me, us.” He has used his campaign infrastructure to turn thousands of supporters out to union picket lines and immigrant rights protests. Sanders recently stated that once elected, he would be the “organizer-in-chief.” Even in his policy plans, like his recently announced labor law reform plan, he emphasizes that such reforms can’t be achieved without organizing a mass movement from below.
Warren, meanwhile, has staked her campaign on being the candidate who has “a plan for that.” Her proposals (domestically, at least) are, on the whole, solid progressive policies, though never stronger than Sanders’s. But not until the last few weeks has she even made rhetorical nods to building the kind of movement that Sanders argues we need, much less done anything to actually build that movement.
https://jacobinmag.com/2019/09/working-families-party-endorsement-elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 23:26 (four years ago) link
^^^ i'm a single-issue voter on this point tbh
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 23:40 (four years ago) link
on which point?
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 23:47 (four years ago) link
so now the WFP are by implication sellouts? OK.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 23:48 (four years ago) link
My lefty friends on FB called Warren a "corporate tool" yesterday.
RMDE!
― DJI, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 23:49 (four years ago) link
If the WFP views bottom-up organizing, of and by a multiracial working class, as a core necessity to win social change, why would the party endorse Warren, whose campaign has catalyzed neither — especially over Sanders, whose campaign has?
lol a Sanders supporter writing this? When Sanders and Warren both have problems attracting multiracial working class votes and Biden still (for the moment) holds the support of black Americans? OK.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 23:50 (four years ago) link
opinion polls = gobbitch
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 23:53 (four years ago) link
primacy of organizing, danger of plan talk
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 23:55 (four years ago) link
Daily reminder that NY voters have until October 11, 2019 to switch party affiliation to Democrat to vote in the New York Democratic Primary.Thank you to @majorityfm for being the first independent media outlet to discuss this.Who is next? pic.twitter.com/DB1YnIZqA0— NY For Sanders #Bernie2020 (@NYforSanders) September 17, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 17:56 (four years ago) link
wassup yall
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 17:58 (four years ago) link
:)
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 17:58 (four years ago) link
I thought this was a good take on the WFP kerfuffle / the Sanders/Warren conflict more generally even if I don't agree with quite all of it myself
https://theoutline.com/post/7983/wfp-endorsement-warren-sanders?zd=1&zi=gmyqldmy
― Simon H., Thursday, 19 September 2019 20:41 (four years ago) link
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, September 17, 2019 6:50 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
The majority of Bernie's supporters are now POC
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 19 September 2019 20:45 (four years ago) link