p sure Stone's Ukraine/Putin movie is def going to qualify
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 19:27 (four years ago) link
Caligula led to a spate of Emperor on Emperor violence iirc
― Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 19:27 (four years ago) link
I'm just going to take a wild guess re: the demographics of those who've deemed Do the Right Thing to be irresponsible...
― Time to Make a Pizza Pact! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 19:31 (four years ago) link
common thread with Birth of a Nation, Gone With the Wind, and JFK is that they are all revisionist histories that play hard and loose with facts in service to a broader ideological agenda.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 19:32 (four years ago) link
do the right thing is obviously great and lee made the same correct observation re: demographics in public at the time, but it is an example of when media conversation around a movie was cast in these terms.
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 19:36 (four years ago) link
hard disagree on DTRT tho
Do the Right Thing was totally (and racistly) branded irresponsible.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 19:37 (four years ago) link
right, I meant I disagreed with that branding
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 19:39 (four years ago) link
Gotcha.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 19:40 (four years ago) link
the argument at the time was that there was going to be riots because of Do The Right Thing which is just so laughable on the face of it. The thinking there was that this *film* would convince black people to get irrationally angry about racism? As opposed to, like, all the actual racism?
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 19:43 (four years ago) link
think of all the innocent pizza parlors throughout the nation
Poor Danny Aiello
― FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 19:47 (four years ago) link
I think the question is why would we think Joker is going to inspire a bunch of basement dwelling incels from 4chan to get violent, when they're already on 4chan.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 19:50 (four years ago) link
or 8chan or whatever the fuck jesus I'm a 40-year-old dad I only pretend I know what this stuff is
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 19:51 (four years ago) link
Warner Bros just lookin to capitalize on that sweet incel 8chan market
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 19:52 (four years ago) link
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, September 4, 2019 12:50 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
they're already violent, yeah
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 20:04 (four years ago) link
point stands that it's pouring gasoline on a fire
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 20:05 (four years ago) link
^^^^
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 20:15 (four years ago) link
Another key difference between the era of Taxi Driver, Death Wish, or even Natural Born Killers, is the socially-driven motivation of the perpetrators of these present day acts. It seems like the feedback loop from other forum members and media attention/notoriety compel these people to one-up each other. These people probably do have those old movies on high rotation, though.
― beard papa, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:12 (four years ago) link
I would rather see Joaquin in a live action remake of Lilo and Stitch.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:13 (four years ago) link
In what role
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:15 (four years ago) link
both
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:15 (four years ago) link
Ms Hasagawa
― FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:16 (four years ago) link
stich
― Yerac, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:17 (four years ago) link
It probably is worth noting that spree killers and sociopathic vigilantes weren't a pervasive social ill when Natural Born Killers, Taxi Driver, Death Wish, etc. were released. This might be more comparable to the JD flicks of the '50s and '60s.
― Time to Make a Pizza Pact! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:22 (four years ago) link
Ebert called Fight Club “the most frankly and cheerfully fascist big-star movie since Death Wish.”
― ... (Eazy), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 23:25 (four years ago) link
a lot more people will leave this movie and get in fights than will leave it discussing Tyler Durden's moral philosophy
unfortunately i don't think it worked out this way
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 23:39 (four years ago) link
"Warner Bros just lookin to capitalize on that sweet incel 8chan market"
it worked with deadpool
― wasdnuos (abanana), Thursday, 5 September 2019 00:11 (four years ago) link
Sad and true.
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Thursday, 5 September 2019 01:54 (four years ago) link
Taxi Driver & Death Wish came from the height of the NY decline/Bernard Goetz/etc. landscape and American society even during Natural Born Killers was on the whole more violent and dangerous than it is today. They're as comparable to The Asphalt Jungle as Joker is.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 5 September 2019 03:02 (four years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 19:52 (yesterday) link
Honestly they’re using the same tactic Disney used for Captain Marvel, just reversing the target of the outrage.
Captain Marvel: “All these alt-right incels are furious at this movie, so you must see it now!”
Joker: “All these uptight SJWs are mad about this movie, so you must see it now!”
It’s just a given part of the publicity cycle for these things now.
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Thursday, 5 September 2019 03:15 (four years ago) link
ding ding ding
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 September 2019 06:36 (four years ago) link
landscape and American society even during Natural Born Killers was on the whole more violent and dangerous than it is today
Citation needed?
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 5 September 2019 08:03 (four years ago) link
I think it's true that violent crime stats have dropped since then. You're just much less likely to know your murderer today, and your murderer is much less likely to have a coherent motive for killing you specifically.
― Time to Make a Pizza Pact! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 5 September 2019 12:06 (four years ago) link
‘Hi, welcome to the future. San Dimas, California, 2019. And I'm telling you it's great here. The air is clean, the water's clean, even the dirt, it's clean. Mass shootings are way up, violent crime stats are way down. And we have more excellent water slides than any other planet we communicate with.’http://www.followingthenerd.com/site/wp-content/uploads/bill-and-ted-rufus.jpg
― don’t bore us, get to the aeon of horus (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 5 September 2019 12:17 (four years ago) link
fwiw Goetz shooting was 1984, a decade after "Death Wish." "Taxi Driver," on the other hand, did come at the peak "NYC, drop dead" era.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 September 2019 12:30 (four years ago) link
What Natural Born Killers did sort of reflect was the hyper-tabloidization of the media landscape, and social media/internet has only exacerbated that. I don't know if people are necessarily more violent now or prone to violence, but there's never been a more readily available audience for that kind of misbehavior, even if chat rooms and forums and whatnot tend to over magnify their numbers.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 September 2019 12:33 (four years ago) link
The thing with Bernie Goetz, also, is that we know his name because, while I'm sure there were others who did likewise, he was pretty much an outlier rather than part of a larger vigilantism epidemic.
― Time to Make a Pizza Pact! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 5 September 2019 12:49 (four years ago) link
this doesn't go back to the 80s buthttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/1999-2016_Gun-related_deaths_USA.png/800px-1999-2016_Gun-related_deaths_USA.png
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 September 2019 15:48 (four years ago) link
Death Wish is an interesting one cause the guy who wrote the novel hated the movie -
Garfield was also unhappy with the final product, calling the film "incendiary", and stated that the film's sequels are all pointless and rancid, since they advocate vigilantism, unlike his two novels, which make the opposite argument. The film led him to write a follow-up titled Death Sentence, which was published a year after the film's release.
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:05 (four years ago) link
Shakey post it per capita you dingdong
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:08 (four years ago) link
also I would argue against the "end of Taxi Driver is a fantasy" argument - Taxi Driver feels to me like a specific reaction to Death Wish, showing us a "vigilante hero", but making it clear to the audience that he's a dangerous loony. The first part of the movie puts you on Travis's side, encourages the audience to root him on. And then Scorcese pulls the rug out, panning up to him at the Palatine rally with the shades and the mohawk, making clear that no, this guy is not a hero, he's a nut with a gun. The ending is the punchline - the vigilante hero is still celebrated by the public anyway.
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:11 (four years ago) link
Taxi Driver did notably inspire one shooting
hrrm
― untuned mass damper (mh), Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:12 (four years ago) link
xpost That was always my take, but it's been a while since I saw it.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:15 (four years ago) link
here's the image shakey was probably looking forhttps://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/FT_19.08.14_GunDeaths_2.png?resize=640,620
― untuned mass damper (mh), Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:15 (four years ago) link
Pff, you can't fool me with that shoddy sharpie work.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:16 (four years ago) link
mh's graph is much better yeah thx
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:32 (four years ago) link
The ending is the punchline - the vigilante hero is still celebrated by the public anyway
that taxi ride with Sybil at the end though, their exchange feels so unreal and so like something out of Bickle's screwy imagination
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:35 (four years ago) link
I think it’s like how early on in the film he was able to easily charm Betsy and then a series of events caused him to slide towards violence, and now he’s had a reset of sorts and he’s back to some easy level of confidence. That final mirror shot shows he remains a ticking time bomb though.
― omar little, Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:39 (four years ago) link
Taxi Driver did notably inspire one shootinghrrm
― don’t bore us, get to the aeon of horus (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:51 (four years ago) link
too bad he missed etc
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:54 (four years ago) link