I'm trying to think of another fictional character so thoroughly irredeemable that this type of treatment would enrage me as much and I am coming up blank. It's partially due to the nature of the Joker as an amoral agent of chaos; most other characters are written in such a manner that there is shade and ambiguity to their motivations and you could see their actions charting a spectrum that swings from "good" to "evil" but that is emphatically not the Joker. He represents the exact opposite of Batman's grim order; gleeful chaos. He exists to deconstruct; it's what fuels him. He's not tortured by what he does; he revels in it. A story where the Joker is yearning for acceptance and fighting against his destructive impulses is not a story about the Joker. That struggle doesn't exist and placing it on that character fundamentally misunderstands everything about him.
I would have much less of a problem if Phoenix's "Joker" was a copycat who used the actual Joker as a conduit for his psychosis.
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 17:50 (four years ago) link
the Joker is very important to the recovery community
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 17:53 (four years ago) link
xp DJPSPOILERS!!!
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I heard that's the case
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link
okay lol, then I am not nearly as mad about this movie as I have been assuming that's true
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:04 (four years ago) link
So is this is a trend, then? Directors of dopey Hollywood comedies going Academy Award friendly? Adam McKay, Peter Farrelly, Todd fucking Phillips ...
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:05 (four years ago) link
Todd Phillips going "serious" isn't nearly as much of a surprise at the Farrelly brothers. he's made dramas. and The Hangover is great (...iirc)
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:08 (four years ago) link
It’s like how in catwoman Halle Berry is not the same catwoman from the batman movies but rather one of many catwomen that exist in that world xps
― YouGov to see it (wins), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:08 (four years ago) link
Man I hated war dogs
― YouGov to see it (wins), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:09 (four years ago) link
yes. terrible. miles teller is horrendous
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:16 (four years ago) link
The fact that this guy got his start with a GG Allin documentary has forever shaded my view of the rest of his filmography. I won’t say positively or negatively, but yeah. Penelope Spheeris thing, just you know, maybe a shittier version.
― circa1916, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:27 (four years ago) link
Oh man I didn’t know he did a Phish documentary too lol
― circa1916, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:29 (four years ago) link
Joker is a failed standup comic in this. C'mon, those guys don't do anything, take it from me.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link
but comedians are the philosopher kings of our time
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:46 (four years ago) link
Picturing a variation of this in which a schlubby Joker just goes around pulling his thing out and asking people if it's okay for him to jerk off in front of them.
― Time to Make a Pizza Pact! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:04 (four years ago) link
youre thinking of the flash
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:10 (four years ago) link
heyo
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:21 (four years ago) link
The only good thing that can come of this movie is its inevitable On Cinema review.
― Fetchboy, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:35 (four years ago) link
this looks like a five bagger
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:37 (four years ago) link
"like the more recent james bond movies we get into the joker's origins, except instead of a spy he's a criminal mastermind. he'd be a formidable foe for my character in decker, kington, who's a mastermind of codes" it writes itself
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:39 (four years ago) link
“Next up we’ve got ‘The Joker’ starring Joker... uh, Jack... Joking Phoenix”
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:53 (four years ago) link
Stand-up comedy was the thing that people with little artistic talent looking for quick fame veered towards in the 80s. It was a perfect fit for The king of comedy. Today the thing would probably be youtube stardom. but i guess that wouldn't get a spooky clown movie any prestige.
― wasdnuos (abanana), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 23:28 (four years ago) link
skimmed the screenplay today and loooooool
― Simon H., Tuesday, 10 September 2019 23:55 (four years ago) link
Stand-up comedy was the thing that people with little artistic talent looking for quick fame veered towards in the 80s.
this has always happened and is arguably worse today
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 23:55 (four years ago) link
honestly just rewatch []Observe and Report[] or The Comedy
triple feature
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 23:58 (four years ago) link
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 03:29 (four years ago) link
Nah, the first Hangover - which Phillips, significantly, didn't write - is a very good low comedy.
(#2 is atrocious, Road Trip and Old School each have a couple of well-done set pieces but are basically reprehensible. never heard of War Dogs until this post!) (several of the Farrelly bros films are good-ish, feel distinctly the work of specific authors, and their casting of differently-abled actors in "normal" roles ameliorates some of their other queasiness. it's only the writer of bad serious novels that directed the bad serious film from other ppl's screenplay though.)
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 04:26 (four years ago) link
yeah most of his comedies are good
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 05:28 (four years ago) link
Can't remember laughing once during any of the Hangover movies tbh.
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 12:52 (four years ago) link
hopefully JOKER will make up for that
― a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 12:53 (four years ago) link
I love Road Trip just because of one line "It's supposed to be a challenge, that's why they call it a shortcut. If it was easy it would just be the way."
― Yerac, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 12:57 (four years ago) link
Road Trip is so mechanically, cynically bad.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 13:17 (four years ago) link
And all kinds of bad -ists, iirc.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 13:18 (four years ago) link
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link
Joe... Jo-Jack... Jo ack... Phone Jack
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 16:04 (four years ago) link
Jaw-kin Penis...uh, Fenis. Phoenix.
― Time to Make a Pizza Pact! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 16:13 (four years ago) link
Joke phone I X
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 16:30 (four years ago) link
Are those Cam'ron lyrics
― When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 17:56 (four years ago) link
debt to a certain Scorsese film looks obscene
https://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review-joker-is-a-punishingly-self-serious-mishmash-of-borrowed-parts/
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 18:13 (four years ago) link
so i here this has a subway scene based on bernie goetz but instead of black kids it's wall street execs harassing him
because the bad thing about the 1% is that they are always riding public transport and harassing the proles on them
― wasdnuos (abanana), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 19:00 (four years ago) link
Well, back in the early '80s there were no taxis or limousines, so rich and poor alike mingled freely on the subways. It was all part of the vibrant tapestry of city life, as depicted in at least three of Patti Smith's memoirs.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 19:13 (four years ago) link
Was reading Ebert's review of Todd Phillips's Due Date, which sounds like a similar "homage to"/steal from Planes, Trains, and Automobiles.
― ... (Eazy), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 19:37 (four years ago) link
the Todd Phillips film i saw was a bootleg video of Frat House when i was in college iirc -- it was a very "serious" film about dumb dudes drinking beer and slapping the filmmakers across the face.
― omar little, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 19:41 (four years ago) link
An Oscar for that film would rile up the MCU creators and its fans and that in itself might be worth it.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 20:58 (four years ago) link
That is a very hot + fresh + good take.
― Time to Make a Pizza Pact! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 21:25 (four years ago) link
Lol It would just mean that instead of three relatively light Marvel movies a year we would suddenly get a spate of "dark" Marvel movies.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 21:29 (four years ago) link
yeah, be careful what you wish forthis winter... Marvel Dark presents... STRIKEFORCE MORITURIactually that would be dopeMODOK UNBOUNDno that would be dope tooKA ZAR and HOWARD THE DUCK inactually, let's try this
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 21:35 (four years ago) link
I assume a dark Howard the Duck would involve him confronting the evil child molester from the first movie for extra #wokeness
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 21:56 (four years ago) link
cannot wait for tim burtons howard the duck to reveal that his daddy wanted him to be an accountant and thats why hes so sad now
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:04 (four years ago) link
has anyone seen this movie btw
is it any good