Impeach Trump Y/N

The inquiry expanda their subpoena powers, no? Maybe they’ll get their hands on some really good shit and the Senate will be forced to convict.

Want an energized base, hire a populist

Also, doing nothing to him for nine months has emboldened this child. I don't want the next president to think soliciting foreign sources to help his election and profiting from his hotels is okeedokee. That's MY reason for supporting impeachment, and if the House does so, it'll energize every lib I know.

It’s really up to the Democrats how this gets spun. It needs to be about the Republican Senate protecting an obviously criminal president due to moral cowardice, not about the case not having legs or whatever the consensus on the Mueller report ended up being.

you'd hope. but the GOP generally are the ones who get to control the media narrative. I'm already seeing a bunch of MSM coverage referring to this as a "Biden scandal" which is....yeah

Not really. The electoral college is stupid and gives disproportionate weight to small states, but that isn't gerrymandering, which involves one party manipulating boundaries for electoral advantage.

true. but it's the same idea. the GOP cannot survive in its current form without a system that hands them power with a minority of votes.

Maybe they’ll get their hands on some really good shit and the Senate will be forced to convict.

Same old fanfic as before, eh?

and I don't wanna fucking see comparisons to Bill Clinton, whose approval rate hovered near 60 percent and wasn't up for reelection.

btw, another upside to impeaching: Trump is absolutely going to do more illegal shit in the wake of all this, just like he did with the Russia thing

More importantly, if I were Netflix I would give the Ukrainian president a stand-up special asap.

It’s really up to the Democrats how this gets spun. It needs to be about the Republican Senate protecting an obviously criminal president due to moral cowardice, not about the case not having legs or whatever the consensus on the Mueller report ended up being.

you'd hope. but the GOP generally are the ones who get to control the media narrative. I'm already seeing a bunch of MSM coverage referring to this as a "Biden scandal" which is....yeah

― frogbs, Wednesday, September 25, 2019 9:03 AM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

unfortunately this is what I expect as well. it always bears keeping in mind that even wrt to the likes of CNN, MSNBC, the Times, the shareholders, the higher-ups, they absolutely want Trump to remain president as long as possible. he's good for ratings and he makes them money.

Right. He’s like 9/11 every day.

Fortunately, even if this gets successfully spun as a "Biden scandal," there are approximately 100 other Dem candidates, some of whom are doing about as well as Biden and many of whom have a very good chance of beating Trump.

9/11 Every Day would be an excellent Trump campaign slogan.

yeah I remember all the post-election analysis showing that every major news network/publication (even the ones you think of as "liberal-leaning") dedicated 3x-4x more time to the Clinton email scandal than anything else. they showed empty podiums that Trump was due to speak at over Clinton's policy speeches. they are absolutely complicit.

I haven't heard #BidenScandal yet on any network -- their reporters and commentators have gone out of their way to stress H. Biden's innocence, unlike during the, say, BUT HER EMAILS nonsense -- but tbf I don't watch CNN.

don't forget the way they passed Barr's summary of the Mueller report as fact and even wrote several "Trump vindicated" headlines before they even read the thing

tb minimally fair, I want to say before the Barr memo he hadn't tipped his hand yet as totally in the tank for Trump.

lol I'm already starting to see polls claiming weak public support for impeachment or whatever. gtfo with polls.

support for impeaching Nixon was even lower at this point. like 17%

anyway gonna be interesting to see how the media reports on the transcript released today, which is only a small piece of the whistleblower complaint and will likely be heavily edited by the WH. we'll see if they learned anything.

I don't understand how this is supposed to go anywhere

― anvil

if by "this" you mean "capitalist democracy" i agree with you, unfortunately it seems like we're stuck with it for now

impeach, the president is a treasonous crook, i don't give a fuck about your "opinions"

It’s so weird to me that impeachment isn’t popular, even among non-Trump supporters. Don’t people want to be delivered from this horrorshow?

As far as I can tell, this "transcript" is nothing of the sort. If it's a transcript, there's a recording, but it's doubtful there is a recording (at least not on the US end). It's gotta be just notes or a summary again or something. And yet ... the whistleblower based their complaint on *something(s)*, so I'm more curious about that.

This is actually a reasonable question. The White House should formally clarify right away whether 1) any recordings of this call exist and 2) if it has authorized/requested that the government of Ukraine provide a tape if they have one. https://t.co/GxloSd9zOs

— Susan Hennessey (@Susan_Hennessey) September 25, 2019

Don’t people want to be delivered from this horrorshow?

― treeship.,

I want him gone ASAP. If this is the best way to deliver it, lets get on it. Otherwise, no point

continuing to do nothing is an implicit approval of his behavior.

this can't be repeated enough, jfc some of you are so goddamn stupid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hNr8WpVYI0

there are plenty of points, some of which you’ve acknowledged

Again, we don't even need the "transcript" because the president already admitted to what he did after lying about it.

At this point, given what we know, impeachment is both a professional duty and a moral imperative. Anybody who will not vote to impeach is both professionally incompetent and morally unfit to hold office.

so will we have two threads for this now

for now yes, but more are surely on their way

I Love Impeachment should be it's own board. Mods, it is your professional duty and moral imperative.

If this is the best way to deliver it, lets get on it. Otherwise, no point

So you only want Trump ousted in the best way and no other way? Great, let's bog down to paralysis for a few more months trying to determine the "best way." Meanwhile, I vote for "every way possible."

There is no option but to do it. No one can predict how it will go or what impact it will have on the election. But at some point they just have to have integrity and do it.

Like we need to stop gaming this out like we actually have the ability to figure out for certain how to deal with him. If there is a legit basis to impeach they should pursue it. If there isn’t then they should drop it. Period.

and the just-released transcript is even more delicious than we'd hoped

So you only want Trump ousted in the best way and no other way?

I want him ousted in a way that works. but not in a way that doesn't work

I'm not actually anti-impeachment, its completely fine as a tactical exercise if the end goal isn't actually removal

ousted in a way that doesn't work?

A view I don't nec agree with

It’s going to hurt Bernie and elevate Warren. This isn’t his turf. No fast food workers, teachers, or people with crushing medical bills will be at all those hearings or the trial. They will be disappeared. It’s 24/7 TV impeachment drama time now and that’s Harvard Law prof turf.

— Dan Kervick (@DanMKervick) September 24, 2019

Pretty sure there will be fast food workers on hand at a Trump hearing.

Lol the media pretty much erases Bernie and all of those people no matter what.

I dont think the people with crushing medical bills will forget about themselves that easily, even if NBC forgets about them

Pretty sure there will be fast food workers on hand at a Trump hearing.

Definitely fast food eaters.

ousted in a way that doesn't work?

― nashwan,

exactly, if its going to work, we should do it! But i guess there's no harm in doing it regardless if we're realistic about the outcome

I am hoping this Ukraine bungle was just the slip that starts the avalanche. It is a cinch that once the House committees draw up articles of impeachment, there will be a very long list of them. It is in their interests to load the shotgun with as many buckshot as possible, which will force the Senate to vote individually on each article. I don't think McConnell would be brazen enough to not bring the articles to a floor vote.

I don't think McConnell would be brazen enough to not bring the articles to a floor vote.

boy i sure do

i'm pretty sure he would burn the building down first.

he said that sabotaging the merrick garland nomination was his proudest moment in politics. i'm sure he'd be even more proud to sabotage an impeachment vote

when mitch mcconnell was young he took all of his shame and put in a giant suitcase, and hit it under a bed. then he found a bunch of small children who were democrats and locked them in the room, and burned the entire building down

Calls have grown for House Democrats to move forward with impeachment proceedings against President Trump, leading to sharp divisions within the party and the American public. The Onion looks at the pros and cons of impeaching the president. https://t.co/IEqFBD3a36 pic.twitter.com/Bm66797TyR

— The Onion (@TheOnion) September 25, 2019

I Love Impeachment should be it's own board. Mods, it is your professional duty and moral imperative.

― ☮ (peace, man)

it is no such thing

"I'm not actually anti-impeachment, its completely fine as a tactical exercise if the end goal isn't actually removal

― anvil"

can't you just take up warhammer 40k as a hobby or something, christ