Impeach Trump Y/N

There is no option but to do it. No one can predict how it will go or what impact it will have on the election. But at some point they just have to have integrity and do it.

Like we need to stop gaming this out like we actually have the ability to figure out for certain how to deal with him. If there is a legit basis to impeach they should pursue it. If there isn’t then they should drop it. Period.

and the just-released transcript is even more delicious than we'd hoped

So you only want Trump ousted in the best way and no other way?

I want him ousted in a way that works. but not in a way that doesn't work

I'm not actually anti-impeachment, its completely fine as a tactical exercise if the end goal isn't actually removal

ousted in a way that doesn't work?

A view I don't nec agree with

It’s going to hurt Bernie and elevate Warren. This isn’t his turf. No fast food workers, teachers, or people with crushing medical bills will be at all those hearings or the trial. They will be disappeared. It’s 24/7 TV impeachment drama time now and that’s Harvard Law prof turf.

— Dan Kervick (@DanMKervick) September 24, 2019

Pretty sure there will be fast food workers on hand at a Trump hearing.

Lol the media pretty much erases Bernie and all of those people no matter what.

I dont think the people with crushing medical bills will forget about themselves that easily, even if NBC forgets about them

Pretty sure there will be fast food workers on hand at a Trump hearing.

Definitely fast food eaters.

ousted in a way that doesn't work?

― nashwan,

exactly, if its going to work, we should do it! But i guess there's no harm in doing it regardless if we're realistic about the outcome

I am hoping this Ukraine bungle was just the slip that starts the avalanche. It is a cinch that once the House committees draw up articles of impeachment, there will be a very long list of them. It is in their interests to load the shotgun with as many buckshot as possible, which will force the Senate to vote individually on each article. I don't think McConnell would be brazen enough to not bring the articles to a floor vote.

I don't think McConnell would be brazen enough to not bring the articles to a floor vote.

boy i sure do

i'm pretty sure he would burn the building down first.

he said that sabotaging the merrick garland nomination was his proudest moment in politics. i'm sure he'd be even more proud to sabotage an impeachment vote

when mitch mcconnell was young he took all of his shame and put in a giant suitcase, and hit it under a bed. then he found a bunch of small children who were democrats and locked them in the room, and burned the entire building down

Calls have grown for House Democrats to move forward with impeachment proceedings against President Trump, leading to sharp divisions within the party and the American public. The Onion looks at the pros and cons of impeaching the president. https://t.co/IEqFBD3a36 pic.twitter.com/Bm66797TyR

— The Onion (@TheOnion) September 25, 2019

I Love Impeachment should be it's own board. Mods, it is your professional duty and moral imperative.

― ☮ (peace, man)

it is no such thing

"I'm not actually anti-impeachment, its completely fine as a tactical exercise if the end goal isn't actually removal

― anvil"

can't you just take up warhammer 40k as a hobby or something, christ

it is no such thing

It absolutely is the duty of all the paid mods on this site to collaboratively generate and launch said board. They are profoundly derelict if this has not happened by COB GMT, and should be stricken of their performance bonuses.

there are paid mods on this site? damn. i feel sorry for anybody who's an internet moderator for money, that sounds like a really shit job

i don't speak sarcasm very well these days. could you eli5 the problem with what i said? thanks.

rushomancy, I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I was making fun of you - that's not what my post is about at all. I 100% support the impeachment for exactly the reasons that you laid out! But it is sort of my hobbyhorse these days that I continue to advocate for a separate I Love Politics board. It's almost as much of a thing for me as my belief in the superiority of Weezer's Green album to their Blue one. Definitely wasn't attacking you and again, I'm sorry.

I Love Weezer's Green Album

you are all on drugs

I can't help these feelings.

i can't control my brain

I don't know how to feel about it. A lot of people, myself included, have stopped talking about politics because it doesn't seem like there's a point. What is there to talk about? Do, or do not. My political engagement at this point consists of me going around saying "Hi, I'm trans" to everybody I meet while still presenting as cis. Which has fuck-all to do with impeachment... yes, I've been drinking.

Can anyone here email me the whistleblower report?

I heard it blows.

1/9 For the non-historians out there: I am a historian of US foreign policy who has read more documents like this than I can remember, so a few thoughts on the Trump MemCon.
1) This is not verbatim, as the document states. It is a sort of summary, which is very different.

— Brad Simpson (@bradleyrsimpson) September 25, 2019

you can tell by the pixels

"I'm no treason! You're the treason!"

*Licks lips, shifts eyes*

"No treason!"

GOP people in this hearing notably not defending Trump, kind of going in circles about perceived legal confusion or whatever.

This whole thing is like when you are suddenly added onto a telecon and no one seems to know what you do but they keep asking you the same stupid questions where you have to constantly explain your job.

This might be the first witness I have ever seen, especially under this admin, tell the congressperson that they still have time on the clock.

Rep. Ratcliffe stated that the president was seeking information from Ukraine on an ongoing criminal investigation. Is there a criminal investigation into either Biden or is this just 100% bullshit?

That's precisely the point that MSNBC interrupted yesterday's press conference to dispute (it's bullshit).

anyone still listening to this testimony? maguire refused to say whether he spoke directly with Trump on the whistleblower complaint, citing confidentiality of his conversations with any president. schiff says that he's not limited by that, that he can say whether or not he spoke with trump on the subject without divulging the contents of that conversation. schiff says it's a simple yes/no question that maguire is not legally prohibited from answering. maguire just repeats that he cannot talk about any conversation with trump.

i have no idea what's right. if he did speak directly with trump about it (and maguire already said earlier that he had spoken with trumps "several times" since the whistleblower complaint came out), that seems like yet another fatal blow

So the Republicans in this hearing have pretty much zero questions for Maguire. Seems like a somewhat weak strategy for them.

They are just letting the Democrats run with this. Kinda crazy.

"Is it or is it not untrue that you may or may not be a member or nonmember of what is often referred to as the 'Deep State'?"

GOP mostly running scared, it seems like. My guess is they are waiting to see how this shows up in the polls before making any real moves.

I mean I'm not surprised re: Hurd but other rumblings like from that Ohio rep don't bode well

they got their tax cut, can cut him loose whenever & find their next boss who'll cut taxes more

lol yes that was my thought too

Vermont GOP governor now also publicly in favor of impeachment fwiw (not much)

If they do their calculus and think they can save their own hides while throwing Trump to the wolves, they'll do it. But if they think turning on Trump will doom them at the ballot box, they won't.

I mean, people act like there's some weird cult of TrUmP but like people put "W" stickers on their SUVs before they got bored of the war & the economy died, the GOP cult of personality is a symptom rather than the illness itself

what if they are doomed either way, which is possible?

I mean, yeah, I've thought for a while that there must be republicans who are like 'we got two SC justices, maybe it's time to cut this dumbfuck loose'. You have to imagine that some of these preening sleazebags are capable of imagining a post-Trump landscape that will regard their cheerleading unfavorably if they don't start the damage control ASAP.

I've thought for a while that there must be republicans who are like 'we got two SC justices, maybe it's time to cut this dumbfuck loose'.

I think this is the majority of the GOP in the Senate tbh. (There's more true believer Trumpers like Nunes in the House)