Impeach Trump Y/N

i'm pretty sure he would burn the building down first.

he said that sabotaging the merrick garland nomination was his proudest moment in politics. i'm sure he'd be even more proud to sabotage an impeachment vote

when mitch mcconnell was young he took all of his shame and put in a giant suitcase, and hit it under a bed. then he found a bunch of small children who were democrats and locked them in the room, and burned the entire building down

Calls have grown for House Democrats to move forward with impeachment proceedings against President Trump, leading to sharp divisions within the party and the American public. The Onion looks at the pros and cons of impeaching the president. https://t.co/IEqFBD3a36 pic.twitter.com/Bm66797TyR

— The Onion (@TheOnion) September 25, 2019

I Love Impeachment should be it's own board. Mods, it is your professional duty and moral imperative.

― ☮ (peace, man)

it is no such thing

"I'm not actually anti-impeachment, its completely fine as a tactical exercise if the end goal isn't actually removal

― anvil"

can't you just take up warhammer 40k as a hobby or something, christ

it is no such thing

It absolutely is the duty of all the paid mods on this site to collaboratively generate and launch said board. They are profoundly derelict if this has not happened by COB GMT, and should be stricken of their performance bonuses.

there are paid mods on this site? damn. i feel sorry for anybody who's an internet moderator for money, that sounds like a really shit job

i don't speak sarcasm very well these days. could you eli5 the problem with what i said? thanks.

rushomancy, I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I was making fun of you - that's not what my post is about at all. I 100% support the impeachment for exactly the reasons that you laid out! But it is sort of my hobbyhorse these days that I continue to advocate for a separate I Love Politics board. It's almost as much of a thing for me as my belief in the superiority of Weezer's Green album to their Blue one. Definitely wasn't attacking you and again, I'm sorry.

I Love Weezer's Green Album

you are all on drugs

I can't help these feelings.

i can't control my brain

I don't know how to feel about it. A lot of people, myself included, have stopped talking about politics because it doesn't seem like there's a point. What is there to talk about? Do, or do not. My political engagement at this point consists of me going around saying "Hi, I'm trans" to everybody I meet while still presenting as cis. Which has fuck-all to do with impeachment... yes, I've been drinking.

Can anyone here email me the whistleblower report?

I heard it blows.

1/9 For the non-historians out there: I am a historian of US foreign policy who has read more documents like this than I can remember, so a few thoughts on the Trump MemCon.
1) This is not verbatim, as the document states. It is a sort of summary, which is very different.

— Brad Simpson (@bradleyrsimpson) September 25, 2019

you can tell by the pixels

"I'm no treason! You're the treason!"

*Licks lips, shifts eyes*

"No treason!"

GOP people in this hearing notably not defending Trump, kind of going in circles about perceived legal confusion or whatever.

This whole thing is like when you are suddenly added onto a telecon and no one seems to know what you do but they keep asking you the same stupid questions where you have to constantly explain your job.

This might be the first witness I have ever seen, especially under this admin, tell the congressperson that they still have time on the clock.

Rep. Ratcliffe stated that the president was seeking information from Ukraine on an ongoing criminal investigation. Is there a criminal investigation into either Biden or is this just 100% bullshit?

That's precisely the point that MSNBC interrupted yesterday's press conference to dispute (it's bullshit).

anyone still listening to this testimony? maguire refused to say whether he spoke directly with Trump on the whistleblower complaint, citing confidentiality of his conversations with any president. schiff says that he's not limited by that, that he can say whether or not he spoke with trump on the subject without divulging the contents of that conversation. schiff says it's a simple yes/no question that maguire is not legally prohibited from answering. maguire just repeats that he cannot talk about any conversation with trump.

i have no idea what's right. if he did speak directly with trump about it (and maguire already said earlier that he had spoken with trumps "several times" since the whistleblower complaint came out), that seems like yet another fatal blow

So the Republicans in this hearing have pretty much zero questions for Maguire. Seems like a somewhat weak strategy for them.

They are just letting the Democrats run with this. Kinda crazy.

"Is it or is it not untrue that you may or may not be a member or nonmember of what is often referred to as the 'Deep State'?"

GOP mostly running scared, it seems like. My guess is they are waiting to see how this shows up in the polls before making any real moves.

I mean I'm not surprised re: Hurd but other rumblings like from that Ohio rep don't bode well

they got their tax cut, can cut him loose whenever & find their next boss who'll cut taxes more

lol yes that was my thought too

Vermont GOP governor now also publicly in favor of impeachment fwiw (not much)

If they do their calculus and think they can save their own hides while throwing Trump to the wolves, they'll do it. But if they think turning on Trump will doom them at the ballot box, they won't.

I mean, people act like there's some weird cult of TrUmP but like people put "W" stickers on their SUVs before they got bored of the war & the economy died, the GOP cult of personality is a symptom rather than the illness itself

what if they are doomed either way, which is possible?

I mean, yeah, I've thought for a while that there must be republicans who are like 'we got two SC justices, maybe it's time to cut this dumbfuck loose'. You have to imagine that some of these preening sleazebags are capable of imagining a post-Trump landscape that will regard their cheerleading unfavorably if they don't start the damage control ASAP.

I've thought for a while that there must be republicans who are like 'we got two SC justices, maybe it's time to cut this dumbfuck loose'.

I think this is the majority of the GOP in the Senate tbh. (There's more true believer Trumpers like Nunes in the House)

first republican governor (Vermont) just called for Trump to be impeached

yeah, i know, it's Vermont. but still

Hm, I wonder if Larry Hogan (MD) will chime in? He's spoken up against Trump before.

He should be impeached for hinting at the death penalty for Biden and the whistleblower alone.

Look my entire political knowledge here is based on me having read "The Final Days" last year, but this sure looks a lot like what happened when the Smoking Gun tape came out. It's not 1974 though and I fully expect things to go down differently last time, if only because '74 had a Bad End and I refuse to accept that outcome.

still i look to find a treason to believe

that Brad Simpson thread:

Before getting on phone calls like this, both Trump and Zelenskyy will have gotten briefing materials with talking points and what the other party wants to talk about

and Zelenskyy probably read some of his.

I think the Republicans know Trump is the only person who can deliver them the presidency in 2020. maybe I'm wrong but I think it's going to be a long time before the party's base is going to accept some charisma-less dope like Tom Cotton or Josh Hawley (to say nothing of Pence). meanwhile, they don't have another carnival-barker madman waiting in the wings.

Trey Gowdy's got nothing going on ....

They will accept literally anybody who has an (R) after their name. Anyone who says "Guns for all, abortions for none, immigrants bad, God good". Someone milquetoast would have to be better at attracting "independents" and whatnot.

pareene:

A rush to a narrow impeachment strictly on the president’s attempt to coerce or bribe a foreign country into digging up dirt on a domestic political rival might sound strategically sounder than a lengthy and wide-ranging investigation into every other rotten thing the president and his cronies have done. A narrative that is easy to explain seems to be an essential part of a “successful” presidential impeachment (though the sample size is small). But the thing is, I want to know what is up with every other rotten thing the president and his cronies have done more than I want him to be impeached by the House.

https://newrepublic.com/article/155182/impeachment-trump-america-deserves-answers

that's a good piece. Dems need to be honest with themselves that none of this is going to result in Trump actually being removed from office, so why rush through impeachment?

which is also why a single-minded emphasis on Ukraine/Biden is not good strategery

Who wants to rush? We need to stretch this out as long as possible. I want it to take such a painful, devastating toll on him that he looks like Pizza the Hutt by the time the election rolls around.

there are 6 different house committee investigations, under the umbrella of impeachment inquiry, which were ongoing before the ukraine/whistleblower stuff happened, so i don't think they'll focus on just ukraine.