Impeach Trump Y/N

notice how not a single person has said something along the lines of "this just does not seem like something the President would do". even his diehards are like yeah sounds about right lol.

Well tbf Lindsay Graham apparently didn't think he was capable of being so nice as he was on the call. And Lindsay's a smart guy.

The whistleblower claims that this was "not the first time" that a highly classified system was used to protect "politically sensitive - rather than national security sensitive - information"

i would guess this will be explored more in the upcoming hearings

He should have done a GWB and get a lawyer to write him a note that said it was cool to do this

The whole "would you do me a favor" mentioned immediately in conjunction with releasing a very large sum of money from our government to Ukraine's is just your basic mafia boss strategy. You toss a light veil over your demands through suggestion and innuendo, but you make the threat behind it clear enough it can't be mistaken.

Trump could just as well said, "will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" and claimed he meant nothing specific by "rid me".

The transcript is inaccurate inasmuch as Trump actually asked Zelensky to do him a flavor.

that kind of comment shouldn't be read quickly

he whistle-blower who revealed that President Trump sought foreign help for his re-election and that the White House sought to cover it up is a C.I.A. officer who was detailed to work at the White House at one point, according to three people familiar with his identity.

this guys life is gonna be turned upside down

score another victory for journalistic values, NYT.

The whole "would you do me a favor" mentioned immediately in conjunction with releasing a very large sum of money from our government to Ukraine's is just your basic mafia boss strategy. You toss a light veil over your demands through suggestion and innuendo, but you make the threat behind it clear enough it can't be mistaken.

Trump could just as well said, "will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" and claimed he meant nothing specific by "rid me".

― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, September 26, 2019 1:34 PM (one hour ago)

yes, it's thinly veiled innuendo bc that's what he has learned as a "great negotiator" lol. then he would say he was joking and imply that we should drop it. then he will start to make himself the victim again -- he goes through all of the stages of DARVO in one answer sometimes. i have been wondering what the whistleblower is doing to stay levelheaded while all this goes on. it's beyond my comprehension how intense it must be. like my brain fritzes out before it could even try to understand.

his name is Donnie DARVO afaic

that's exactly why mafia learned to make threats that way too xp

don't know what DARVO is?
deny
attack .
reverse victim/offender

it's why he reminds you (me) of every abusive person you (i) have ever known

It is pretty fucking clear, but until the clear rate is 98-100%, republicans have reasonable doubt to work their magic.

what you're missing is that nothing will ever be "100% clear" when literally half our government is actively attempting to obfuscate and obstruct whenever possible. these people defended him literally bragging about sexually assaulting people. they claimed it was "just locker room talk" even as women came out of the woodwork on a daily basis to claim that yes, this is exactly what he does. Trump is incredibly popular among the GOP base and that is all that matters.

fuck we've all seen the movies it's not mystery what he is doing there. It was that same thing he tried to do with Comey "I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go "

I already regret posting itt but I do not regret conjuring DARVO. most useful acronym i've learned in years.

No reason to regret your post. Trump immediately denied doing anything wrong. He just as quickly attacked anyone who suggested he did anything wrong. He has openly cast himself as the victim and the whistleblower as the offender, who, incidentally, ought to be executed for their offense. Fits him like a glove.

a tiny glove

i really am more wary of the enablers than i am of the abusers at this point. people who are openly and actively abusive are a pretty tiny minority!

a very good guy. a good fella, if you will.

Here is the NPR/PBS/Marist poll trend on impeachment.
April: 39% support, 53% oppose
Today: 49% support, 46% oppose

— Marshall Cohen (@MarshallCohen) September 26, 2019

It gives me no pleasure to defend the Times. But the letter has "CIA Ukraine analyst who works inside" all over it. Once these things come out they're easy to narrow.

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) September 26, 2019

That support for impeachment needs to jump to above 60% for the republicans to start looking for lifeboats.

yup, and that has definitely not happened to-date

I read the complaint. If it is generally true, that officials really told the whistleblower those things, Trump will be impeached.

The best Trump can claim is that he really believed that some Ukrainian stole a box and that finding it would prove that Russia wasn't involved in the DNC hack, and that Joe Biden was actually corrupt for complaining that Ukraine wasn't cracking down on corruption enough.

And when Trump gets that proof, we will all be very sorry.

obvious move for the Dems is to get testimony from first-hand accounts/ie people the whistleblower talked to.

Good luck with that.

Trump will just claim executive privilege, lawsuits will be filed with contempt citations etc.

like, someone in his inner circle has to actually turn on him, not just some random CIA guy

the Dems should be thinking of this like the FBI does w/mafia racketeering/RICO cases - you need an informant, and you need leverage over that informat.

If the whistleblower really had those discussions with officials, there are enough people in the know that I don't think the conspiracy can be kept a secret.

If the whistleblower knew about the Ukraine call and knew the open information about the Ukrainian relations, then made up the stuff about the discussions with officials, then the conspiracy might be better guarded.

The files, records, notes that are going to be required to understand this are not supposed to be open to the public for DECADES. But they'll pried open, the secrets they contain will ruin careers and roil the politics of allied and adversary countries. 5/x

— John A Gans Jr (@johngansjr) September 26, 2019

Does John A Gans, Jr. have an alternate suggestion on how to proceed?

This is such mueller deja vu

xp well from the rest of his thread i think there's just nothing to be done about that

Ooh, he invokes Iran-Contra. Yeah, that really tore the country apart, and totally ruined the careers of ... people.

I think that Οὖτις's recent posts are otm

Y'all should get out of this thread and watch some movies. Criterion has at least ten Naruse films.

you're right Alfred

but… impeachment!

It'll still be there in the morning.

...or mourning.

i legit had a great week because of the impeachment energy. bummer that poll is only 50 / 45 in support and yet a majority feels more significant than the numbers themselves suggest, somehow.

it's been only 48 hours!

So Giuliani went on Laura Ingraham's show and said some stuff. Make sure you look at the entire thread.

Wow. Rudy Giuliani is on Ingraham's show implicating the State Department in the Ukraine scandal.

"The whistleblower falsely alleges that I was operating on my own. Well, I wasn't operating on my own." pic.twitter.com/4o1feYTZFU

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) September 27, 2019

The look on her face as she realizes it's all going to shit is priceless.

i legit had a great week because of the impeachment energy. bummer that poll is only 50 / 45 in support and yet a majority feels more significant than the numbers themselves suggest, somehow.

― cheese canopy (map), Thursday, September 26, 2019 9:48 PM (fifty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's been only 48 hours!

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, September 26, 2019 9:51 PM (fifty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's also rising quickly. just now i was reading the david brooks opinion piece "Yes, Trump is Guilty, but Impeachment is a Mistake", because i hate myself, and he was citing the quinnipiac poll showing 37% support.

by the way, his second argument is that impeachment is elitist because it puts the decision in the hands of 100 people instead of letting everyone vote on it

xp I don't really see a look on her face tbh, just a blank smile. I actually met her once, in a gay bar in SF when she was visiting her brother, she seemed ok in person at the time, I never would have thought she would become this toxic

If the US Constitution hadn't been written by elitists looking to keep the hoi-polloi well under wraps, there would never have been an electoral college and Trump would never have been elected. You say you want "everyone" voting on who's president, then first you must get rid of the fucking EC. Stupid goddamn David Brooks can eat a bag of dicks.

how can we impeach david brooks?

Stupid goddamn David Brooks can eat a bag of dicks.

OTM

it's crazy. here's the actual text (bold and italics in original)

This is completely elitist. We’re in the middle of an election campaign. If Democrats proceed with the impeachment process, it will happen amid candidate debates, primaries and caucuses. Elections give millions and millions of Americans a voice in selecting the president. This process gives 100 mostly millionaire senators a voice in selecting the president.

As these two processes unfold simultaneously, the contrast will be obvious. People will conclude that Democrats are going ahead with impeachment in an election year because they don’t trust the democratic process to yield the right outcome. Democratic elites to voters: We don’t trust you. Too many of you are racists!