Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

Diary > Access Guide > Autobiography of Coop >>>>> Secret History >>> Final Dossier

Access Guide is fun and enjoyable because it's not trying to be important, but had some legit LOL moments. I reread the Autobiography of Dale recently and liked it a lot more than I expected. Not great literature by any means, but much better than it needs to be.

The Frost books are just... so much effort. In their production and the reading of them. Whenever they did have some interesting tidbit, it didn't seem to amount to much because it didn't feel "real." I can imagine Lynch rolling his eyes at a lot of that stuff. Not to discredit Frost's contribution to the show.

Currently reading the Wrapped In Plastic book, which collects John Thorne's stuff from WIP magazine. Not nearly as many half-baked theories as I was expecting and the episode guides are nice to read after a re-watch. A lot of info on deleted scenes that show different directions TP could have gone in.

Got a set of Blue Rose magazines which I have yet to really dive into.

I really love Lynch/Twin Peaks but you guys seem completely mad

I mean that as a joke, I love these posts

Reflections: An Oral History of TP is pretty good too.

Yeah, the wife started looking at me funny when the magazines began showing up.

The speculation about who the girl that was occupied by the moth/frog thing seems silly when it’s very close to the episode where Sarah flips her lid and fucks up that dude

The Freddie story I took as Lynch's superhero MCU sendup. It's tonally jarring but I think it's funny.

Probably got the idea from those Hulk gloves that were popular a few years back.

Lynch said the green glove was an idea he originally had for Jack Nance.

Can confirm that a #TwinPeaks production member whose name appears in the opening credits told me that they "don’t comment on rumour". And followed that statement with a WINK emoji.

— TwinPeaks S4 podcast? (@TPSeason3) October 3, 2019

A lot of info on deleted scenes that show different directions TP could have gone in.

― Cow_Art, Wednesday, October 2, 2019 3:28 AM

Any particularly interesting ones?

In case anyone is stuck for a way to close out the decade, I reckon starting pt17 at about 22:05 would get you “what year is this” at around midnight

i buy this

http://quarterly.politicsslashletters.org/dreamer-twin-peaks-return/?fbclid=IwAR3g9uKphZtCFTJd1B5J26JRH2hyW-wn0TnsixJPKGBt49WgsiWD13SIW9M

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Now, in the next, unimaginable instant, Cooper will awaken into the present—into reality—as his true self, and remember everything he created this whole world to forget. Who will he wake up as this time, and what will he do next?

otm

Eventually, Cooper gathers the Instruments and plays the "Ballad of the Wind Fish"

cooper! turn the television off now!

helllOOOOOOO

Wait that’s by my friend Tim! I didn’t realize he’d written a TP3 piece.

That's a brilliant piece

There’s a shot I think about them the whole is the dreamer’ question comes up, and it’s Cole in his office, eyes closed, whistling, with the nuclear bomb poster above his head. That’s before episode 8 as well.

I also think about how the reunion between Big Ed and Norma occurs while he has closed his eyes.

That's a brilliant piece

― the salacious inaudible (Nasty, Brutish & Short),

otm

makes me want to watch it all again.

same. i'm thinking of doing an all-headphones rewatch/listen. i did that for about half of the Return and it was worth it, every time. i love that it's a Headphones show (and if anyone else can recommend headphones shows, please lmk)

this essay rules

https://i.imgur.com/ccQExIu.jpg

i always save at double the size on accident

https://i.imgur.com/IhlKhZx.jpg

jfc

article is great

and reminds me again of the richness of the work

freddy was the low point of the series for me, no one is ever going to convince me otherwise. that's sub season-2 stuff.

― akm, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 22:21 (three months ago) link

Just finished watching this and holy shit YES, 100% OTM. There is nothing in all of S2 dumber than a character we've barely met and definitely don't care about using a fucking glove to punch Bob (now an orb for some reason) so hard that he shatters into pieces. SO dumb.

I was in high school when the two-part It miniseries was first broadcast. I remember thinking that the first part was excellent, which made it all the more disappointing when it led to the climax in part two involving...a giant spider? I was reminded of this same sad trombone feeling watching Freddy wallop Orb-Bob. Luckily, this scene was mostly redeemed by the final episode.

now an orb for some reason

who can say

To me, the Freddy/Bob fight was meant to illustrate how the Twin Peaks universe we know and love is an idealized cartoon, and there's a real world that's much more nebulous and uncertain lurking behind it.

otm

i think that's otm too, but tbh i didn't understand that until like the third time i watched it and read a few extended explainer/theory pieces. now it seems obvious: that last scene where freddy punches bob right in the orbface is all a dream, or is some sub "real" place - the way all the characters show up and cram into the room in a stilted way, the overlay of coop's face over the whole scene for several minutes - it's all in his head. and yes, the "realer" world is the one that coop and diane (and gordon cole, for a minute) soon after that scene

but i also agree that the way that bob went down, dreamworld or not, was very unsatisfying. there were a bunch of ways they could have made it clear that the world of twin peaks was just one dimension, or dream, or whatever. having something ridiculous happen (freddy punch) was one way, i guess

There is an immense 4 hour "Twin Peaks Explained" YT video which persuasively maintains that the show is about the mechanics and experience of watching television, and that the third season is an extended metaphor on the expectations and hopes of the audience for a reanimation of a show that died 25 years earlier. From that perspective the punch-out scene reads as straight satire of the audience expectation, with Coop overlaid as the viewer of this "resolution" of the BOB story. Of course that leaves Coop/viewers shattered and drifting with no identity, and a compulsion to endlessly revisit a "Diane" and a "Laura" and a "Palmer house" which no longer exist, breaking them out of time and the world.

i recommend reading that piece that dan selzer posted upthread about three weeks ago - it makes a pretty strong point for why the climax of the bob plot is so silly/cartoony

I instinctively avoid videos like the 4-hr explainer tbh. I watched a decent chunk but "definitive" analyses like these seem against the spirit of the show, which I know he kinda acknowledged but that doesn't make it more palatable to me

freddy’s good

i’m otm

if any of these putative "explanations" of a meaning to the return are correct that would be disappointing to me - someone who is ambivalent at best about it to begin with

i mean even the explanations of mulholland dr. are unconfirmed if largely agreed upon. think you’re safe jim

i mean we'll never know, so it's a disappointment that i'll never actually have, but theoretically if lynch came out and was like "oh yeah the return is about this" (which he clearly will never do) then i would be sad.

but that’ll never happen

I share the skepticism of explainers, but there is a LOT of stuff about energy, waves, air, transmission and so on which is pretty obvious when assembled into a framework. For me it doesn't preclude the work from having a wider symbolic and artistic resonance, and by reducing the apparent arbitrariness of some elements it makes the work admirably focused. I didn't swallow it whole but I was impressed enough to finish it, albeit at 1.5 speed across a couple of weeks.

dammit, I'm totally going to watch this Youtube video

it's about electricity

don't ask me about judy, though

I rewatched part of Fire Walk With Me last week and imo it sets out a lot of the groundwork and creates a blueprint for the series as a whole. When you take it and The Return together, the original series seems like a piece of the puzzle that happens in the middle, with some of the season two hijinks fading away in favor of the story elements that are continued and brought to the forefront

Freddie punching BOB into oblivion feels to me like an absurd statement on the futility of 'defeating' evil, undermined as it subsequently is by a more literal depiction of that futility (Coop having preemptively (re)solved the murder of Laura and, in the course of doing so, having essentially unraveled her existence).

^^^ i like that

we can't undo trauma