oh god, Mormons and breeding ....I had a friend in high school (he was the oldest kid in his Mormon family) and doing the math, his mom must have been constantly pregnant/breeding for 18 straight years.
― sarahell, Thursday, 10 October 2019 18:47 (four years ago) link
yeah. maybe. but to my way of thinking, "I don't care about your baby, and I wish you hadn't been so selfish as to effectively end our friendship for your egotistical experiment" or "anyway children should be gestated by paid workers and raised communally" are not great examples of making "the ethical case for not-breeding". They seem, I don't know, sort of shallow when considered as ethical arguments.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 10 October 2019 18:47 (four years ago) link
well yeah, they're first steps. i was referring to sic saying that having babies after 1980 is sociopathic. also this for more context and depth: https://www.comatonse.com/writings/2017_deproduction.html
― cheese canopy (map), Thursday, 10 October 2019 18:51 (four years ago) link
Remember to take a moment to welcome ex-congressman (R) Sean Duffy's 9th child into the world.
― Yerac, Thursday, 10 October 2019 18:53 (four years ago) link
that's not my ethical case against breeding, that's my political program. my ethical case against breeding is that it is cruel to create an alive person
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Thursday, 10 October 2019 18:54 (four years ago) link
I've forgiven my parents for having me, but barely
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Thursday, 10 October 2019 18:56 (four years ago) link
I was born before 1980, so my parents are cool
― sarahell, Thursday, 10 October 2019 18:58 (four years ago) link
i would be down for gestation to occur completely without the requirement of a woman's body. But if they want to get paid for it, I am fine with that too.
― Yerac, Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:01 (four years ago) link
I missed what happened in 1980 did they outlaws antibiotics or summat?
― calzino, Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:02 (four years ago) link
desire and raising children have been the organizational principles of civilization since time immemorial, there is no shortage of deep ideological backing for the concept of raising children. choosing not to go that way needs more of a coherent solidarity imo. perhaps less based on "having kids is awful" and more based on "the concept of family needs to expand beyond blood roles and into experiential relationships," perhaps fostered by things like silby's political program.
― cheese canopy (map), Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:03 (four years ago) link
XP Ordinary People came out, iirc.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:04 (four years ago) link
it takes a paid ass village
― maffew12, Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:04 (four years ago) link
― to regain his mental focus, he played video-game golf (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:05 (four years ago) link
guys i'm sure sic has a very particular reason for choosing that year i mean he hasn't let me down yet
― cheese canopy (map), Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:05 (four years ago) link
lol thanks bb
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:06 (four years ago) link
maybe it will be like the military where entering into this program will be a way for more people in the US to obtain affordable healthcare.
― Yerac, Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:06 (four years ago) link
on "the concept of family needs to expand beyond blood roles and into experiential relationships," perhaps fostered by things like silby's political program.
this would benefit parents too
― marcos, Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:06 (four years ago) link
everyone
Will silby accept a moderate position, it’s fine to make babies it’s just unacceptable to let them live to be adults
― YouGov to see it (wins), Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:11 (four years ago) link
I would accept babies if they grew up to be Nude Jake Gyllenhaal
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:11 (four years ago) link
You just have to purchase a lottery ticket like the rest of us.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:12 (four years ago) link
No see once you’ve had a baby it’s a person and we have to take care of them
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:13 (four years ago) link
heh this reminds me of conversations with former middle school teachers, who, in their darker moments, thought that between the ages of 11 and 13, all children should just be put on a jungle island and left to their own devices Lord of the Flies style ... because those are the worst ages to try and teach.
― sarahell, Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:14 (four years ago) link
― to regain his mental focus, he played video-game golf (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:17 (four years ago) link
i'm all for publically supported group childrearing as long as the budget includes earplugs and xanax
― cheese canopy (map), Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:17 (four years ago) link
my sil offered to be a surrogate for our baby because she loves being pregnant??? But I had to tell her that it wouldn't solve the problem of not actually wanting the baby.
― Yerac, Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:18 (four years ago) link
hah
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:18 (four years ago) link
― cheese canopy (map), Thursday, October 10, 2019 12:17 PM (one minute ago)
we kinda have that already though -- it's called "school" -- and earplugs and xanax? Damn, some of our teachers have to buy their own paper!
― sarahell, Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:20 (four years ago) link
haha
― cheese canopy (map), Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:20 (four years ago) link
actually, I have friends who teach kids who would be stoked to get free xanax tho
a chicken in every pot, a xanax in every baby
― to regain his mental focus, he played video-game golf (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:21 (four years ago) link
a chicken in every baby, pot and xanax in every parent
― sarahell, Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:22 (four years ago) link
a baby in every chicken, a booming market for soylent green futures
― to regain his mental focus, he played video-game golf (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:26 (four years ago) link
a Nude Jake Gyllenhaal in me
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:28 (four years ago) link
lock thread, we’ve cracked the case
― to regain his mental focus, he played video-game golf (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:30 (four years ago) link
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/29/article-0-0B613BC900000578-752_468x463.jpg
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:32 (four years ago) link
He was born in 1980.
― Yerac, Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:33 (four years ago) link
https://media.giphy.com/media/DPTnk0oIJaibe/giphy.gif
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:34 (four years ago) link
I see the passion never died.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:51 (four years ago) link
does it ever?
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:52 (four years ago) link
I've got little kids - yeah it was hard for me to go out for a matter of months per child - but I think it depends on the friends. A couple of mine (with no kids) just dropped off the face of the earth once we had kids. Loads of texts trying to get them to come out but we were just no longer on their radar.
Getting to the age now where friends who are parents to young kids also have caring responsibilities to their own parents (dementia, health problems etc).
― kinder, Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:16 (four years ago) link
v. self-centered for people to have ailing parents without consulting their friends, who may not be into it
― mookieproof, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:00 (four years ago) link
I admit to having "my people!" thoughts when I meet people my age (mid-40s) who do not have kids. There aren't that many of us!
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:08 (four years ago) link
there aren't that many of period. Gen Xers sandwiched between two much, much bigger generations.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:17 (four years ago) link
many of US