Rep. Lieu reportedly said that his opening statements were very damaging to the president. Rep. Lynch was quoted as saying it was a potential sea change in the impeachment inquiry
― Dan S, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 17:48 (four years ago) link
it's a sea org change
― Spironolactone T. Agnew (rushomancy), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link
Diarrhetics
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 17:57 (four years ago) link
lyin' cheatin' thetans
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 17:59 (four years ago) link
that's alll you seeem to dooowooooo
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link
Garrett Haake @GarrettHaake
“Members have described Bill Taylor’s testimony this morning as disturbing and very credible, backed up by “meticulous” contemporaneous notes he took during phone calls and meetings. Those formed the backbone of a lengthy opening statement.”
I guess they're still at it
― Dan S, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:05 (four years ago) link
About to post the same thing.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:07 (four years ago) link
“All I have to say is that in my 10 short months in Congress — it’s not even noon, right — and this is my most disturbing day in Congress so far. Very troubling.” —Rep. Andy Levin, as he left Bill Taylor’s deposition this morning. @jesselnaranjo https://t.co/fmegayyjl6— Rebecca Ballhaus (@rebeccaballhaus) October 22, 2019
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:08 (four years ago) link
So a bunch of Democrats were disturbed?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:10 (four years ago) link
Multiple House Democrats are now, not so subtly, suggesting that Gordon Sondland might have given false testimony. It's worth proceeding with caution for now, mostly because it would just be so so incredibly stupid for Sondland to have actually lied under these circumstances. https://t.co/hsTuKlCrj2— Susan Hennessey (@Susan_Hennessey) October 22, 2019
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:11 (four years ago) link
This is exactly why they are running things like a grand jury in private. Can't coordinate testimony, which makes it much harder to get away with obvious lies.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:21 (four years ago) link
otm
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:26 (four years ago) link
.@RepMalinowski says Taylor “remembered some things that previous witnesses somehow failed to remember.”— Ben Siegel (@benyc) October 22, 2019
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:30 (four years ago) link
Debbie is terrible but
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., said Taylor "drew a straight line" with documents, timelines and individual conversations in his records at the hearing.
"I do not know how you would listen to today's testimony from Ambassador Taylor and come to any other (conclusion) except that the president abused his power and withheld foreign aid," she said.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:34 (four years ago) link
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, October 22, 2019 2:10 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgttPt_1IG0
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:41 (four years ago) link
The senior U.S. diplomat in Ukraine said Tuesday he was told release of military aid was contingent on public declarations from Ukraine that it would investigate the Bidens and the 2016 election, contradicting President Trump’s denial that he used the money as leverage for political gain.
Acting ambassador William B. Taylor Jr. testified behind closed doors in the House impeachment probe of Trump that he stands by his characterization that it was “crazy” to make the assistance contingent on investigations he found troubling.
Upon arriving in Kyiv last spring he became alarmed by secondary diplomatic channels involving U.S. officials that he called “weird,” Taylor said, according to a copy of his lengthy opening statement obtained by The Washington Post.
Taylor walked lawmakers through a series of conversations he had with other U.S. diplomats who were trying to obtain what one called the “deliverable” of Ukrainian help investigating Trump’s political rivals.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:48 (four years ago) link
Taylor said he spoke to Ambassador Gordon Sondland, the U.S. envoy to the European Union.
“During that phone call, Amb. Sondland told me that President Trump had told him that he wants President [Volodymyr] Zelensky to state publicly that Ukraine will investigate Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election,” Taylor said in the statement.
Former Vice President Joe Biden’s son Hunter had been a board member of Burisma, a large Ukrainian gas company. Joe Biden is a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate.
“Amb. Sondland also told me that he now recognized that he had made a mistake by earlier telling the Ukrainian officials to whom he spoke that a White House meeting with President Zelensky was dependent on a public announcement of investigations — in fact, Amb. Sondland said, ‘everything’ was dependent on such an announcement, including security assistance,’” Taylor told House investigators.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:49 (four years ago) link
“He said that President Trump wanted President Zelensky ‘in a public box’ by making a public statement about ordering such investigations.’
GOP noise machine gonna go into overdrive re: how this testimony is not credible, he's a Democrat, conspiracy etc etc
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:50 (four years ago) link
Look, Trump is a man of incredible moral scruples that it physically pains him to hear about possible corruption. He will do ANYTHING to stamp it out. It just so happens that the 2 most corrupt people are his 2016 opponent in Prez election and 2020 possible opponent in Prez election. In fact, these 2 have committed p much the only acts of corruption worthy of being investigated by the US.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:54 (four years ago) link
Starting to think this guy might not be on the level
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 18:58 (four years ago) link
Taylor's full statement is here.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 19:27 (four years ago) link
Trump could appear on TV naked and the Freedom Caucus would insist that wasn't his hairy ass.
I care more about the voters being swung by this. Which seems is happening.
― When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 19:28 (four years ago) link
http://www.belge.com.tr/uploads/2018/12/03/abd-baskani-trump-abdnin-silah-yarisina-716-milyar-dolar-harcamasi-cilginlik-b.jpg
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 22:00 (four years ago) link
Bwaaaaaaaaa!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 22:07 (four years ago) link
You know he's taking the towels and bathrobes when he leaves.
The next administration needs to do a video walkthrough on move-in day because the keyboards are going to be full of glue, fish in the percolators, you name it. It's going to make the recent Alabama sheriffs' story look tame.
― Galangal Baker (WmC), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 22:57 (four years ago) link
The next administration needs to do a video walkthrough on move-in day because the keyboards are going to be full of glue, fish in the percolators, you name it.
Nobody on his team is smart enough for that. At most, they'll leave a pile of his used diapers in the middle of the Oval Office rug.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 23:02 (four years ago) link
They're mean as fucking snakes, that trumps smarts. DJT himself will upper-deck the toilet nearest the oval office.
― Galangal Baker (WmC), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 23:09 (four years ago) link
fuck, I sound like treeship, god dammit
so I guess they're not wrapping up by Thanksgiving
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 01:01 (four years ago) link
Will make for extra fun family time for some of us.
― Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 01:03 (four years ago) link
Scalise:
"Maybe in the Soviet Union, this is how they conduct hearings."
Y'know, dude....
― When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 01:04 (four years ago) link
Glad you're making the most of your second chance at life
― When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 01:05 (four years ago) link
fuck, I sound like treeship, god dammit― Galangal Baker (WmC), Tuesday, October 22, 2019 7:09 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Galangal Baker (WmC), Tuesday, October 22, 2019 7:09 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
judging by your posts before this one, you're confusing me with bizzaro gazzara and neanderthal
― treeship., Wednesday, 23 October 2019 02:22 (four years ago) link
Wait which one was me
― When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 03:15 (four years ago) link
so if they did impeach AND remove before the election, would he still be elgiible to run and win re-election?
because maaaaan
― j., Wednesday, 23 October 2019 17:56 (four years ago) link
yes
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 17:56 (four years ago) link
although I think the terms of conviction can include being barred from office
barring from office would require a separate vote
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link
if/when he’s out he’s gonna need a LOT of lawyers
― and i approve this message (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 18:12 (four years ago) link
if he were removed (still dont see it), weren't a dozen of the GOP primaries cancelled already?
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 18:19 (four years ago) link
no need - they can always vote for the man who on at least one occasion had sex with Mother
― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 18:21 (four years ago) link
yeah I don't think removal is gonna happen either. Even peeling off a couple GOP votes (Romney, Murkowski, Collins, Gardner) seems like a really big challenge.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 18:23 (four years ago) link
Pretty sure there will be no removal and I am also not sure I want one. Damaged, deranged, infuriated, unhinged, he will be so much easier to beat. Make the dead-ender Cult 45 folks just go down with the ship. Don't give them the easy out of another candidate.
― solos that go widdly widdly widdly (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 18:41 (four years ago) link
Judgement in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States; but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgement and Punishment, according to Law.
article 1, section 3, clause 7
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 18:51 (four years ago) link
Beginning last April, BuzzFeed News has pursued five separate Freedom of Information Act lawsuits to pry loose all the subpoenas and search warrants that Mueller’s team executed, as well as all the emails, memos, letters, talking points, legal opinions, and interview transcripts it generated. In short, we asked for all the communications of any kind that passed through the special counsel’s office. We also requested all of the documents that would reveal the discussions among Attorney General Bill Barr, former deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein, and other high-ranking officials about whether to charge President Donald Trump with obstruction.Justice Department lawyers said the volume of records at issue could total 18 billion pages and could take centuries to produce.At a hearing earlier this month, US District Court Judge Reggie Walton was not sympathetic. “It shouldn’t fall on the backs of the citizens to wait years to find out what the government is up to,” he said. If the Justice Department couldn’t handle the request in a more timely fashion, he added, it should ask Congress for money to hire more help.Today, in response to a court order, the Justice Department has released the first installment of documents: 500 pages of summaries of FBI interviews with witnesses, available here for the first time. Another installment will be released every month for at least the next eight years.
Justice Department lawyers said the volume of records at issue could total 18 billion pages and could take centuries to produce.
At a hearing earlier this month, US District Court Judge Reggie Walton was not sympathetic. “It shouldn’t fall on the backs of the citizens to wait years to find out what the government is up to,” he said. If the Justice Department couldn’t handle the request in a more timely fashion, he added, it should ask Congress for money to hire more help.
Today, in response to a court order, the Justice Department has released the first installment of documents: 500 pages of summaries of FBI interviews with witnesses, available here for the first time. Another installment will be released every month for at least the next eight years.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonleopold/mueller-report-secret-memos-1
many americans had trouble finding the time to read the executive summary of either volume of the mueller report (7 pages for vol 1, 6 pages for vol 2). in response, i would like to ask my fellow americans to please take the time to look at about 500 pages of fbi interview summaries, released every month for the next 8 years or so
― at home in the alternate future, (Karl Malone), Saturday, 2 November 2019 16:56 (four years ago) link
hey man i'd like to do my part but i'm no devin nunes
― j., Saturday, 2 November 2019 17:12 (four years ago) link
Given the evidence already public, including the transcript of the call and Mulvaney's press conference where he basically said the aid was withheld for political gain, Trump's impeachment is about 98% certain. Given the record of Republican senators since 2016, including their defense of Trump's clear obstruction of justice, I'd say the odds are about 15 to 1 against Trump's removal from office. Even his censure over the Ukraine scandal is a very long shot.
I wish this weren't so, and new evidence could change the odds, but I can't see any other way to look at it right now. Viewed from a different angle, the Republicans are caught in this bad situation like fish in a net and they know it. They just hope they won't have to pay too high a price for it, but there will be a price to pay and they know that, too.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 2 November 2019 17:48 (four years ago) link
I Feel like a v strong safe space for all gop senators would have to be devised by the senate gop to make removal something they will ever fall back to. The safe space doesnt have to be a permission from dem/left side, it can be something the gop makes for itself and then promotes to its base tho. Something like distinguishing illegal acts by trump, but lining up hard for pence as the true uncompromised core of gop.
the whole thing would be so not credible, and hard to pull off, i think they’ll rather ride trump to whatever conclusion they can get without surrender.
catastrophizing me is a little nervous that if it gets even jankier theyll just go for trying to cancel or nullify an election. not really, but uh.
― and i approve this message (Hunt3r), Monday, 4 November 2019 15:54 (four years ago) link