One kind of demarcation is having come into pop consciousness during punk and its immediate aftermath. After ~1975 you may still nominally be gen x but will have had a different and arguably less vital set of formative cultural experiences.
Down the line that's the difference between being 11 and 16 when acid house is kicking off.
― Noel Scott Emits (Noel Emits), Saturday, 16 November 2019 15:48 (four years ago) link
― Noel Scott Emits (Noel Emits)
i'm going to guess you were born before 1975
when i was 16 i was listening to led zeppelin tapes and using a computer. i don't think what age i was when acid house kicked off made a lot of difference in my life, except insofar as acid house affected the demoscene.
― tantric societal collapse (rushomancy), Saturday, 16 November 2019 15:52 (four years ago) link
...and it's not like i knew anyone who had an amiga so i never even saw "Jesus on E's"
― tantric societal collapse (rushomancy), Saturday, 16 November 2019 15:56 (four years ago) link
But acid house / rave was driven by people who also would have been old enough to pick up on punk to some extent, more so than people who were 12 in 1987.
Not saying it's simply causal. But also it seems like if your first pop era starts after 1983 that's quite different to the period before.
― Noel Scott Emits (Noel Emits), Saturday, 16 November 2019 16:07 (four years ago) link
People who lived in places where punk and acid house never “kicked off” don’t belong to any demographic
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 16 November 2019 16:13 (four years ago) link
I always site Gen X people as born between 1961 (Douglas Coupland’s birth year) and 1979/80 (Thatcher/Reagan administrations begin).
― santa clause four (suzy), Saturday, 16 November 2019 16:25 (four years ago) link
I mean I grew up in suburban New Jersey. No, I didn't hear any punk rock, my parents wouldn't let me stay up late enough to watch Quincy. When I was 12 I was listening to "License to Ill" and "Raising Hell", if you want to argue my generation's cultural experiences are different and "arguably less vital" than yours be my guest. Nobody will listen to you, but given that we're both Generation X we're well used to that by now, aren't we?
― tantric societal collapse (rushomancy), Saturday, 16 November 2019 16:32 (four years ago) link
I think of 1965-1975 as Strong-X, 1961-1964 and 1976-1980 as Weak-X, or transitional gens if you prefer. As a Strong-Xer I do notice stereotypical Millennial traits creeping in with that '76-'80 cohort, and I don't relate to them as much as I do the pre-'76ers as a rule.
― Josefa, Saturday, 16 November 2019 16:41 (four years ago) link
i'm the Judean People's Front version of Gen X
― tantric societal collapse (rushomancy), Saturday, 16 November 2019 16:43 (four years ago) link
Take it easy. I could have made it clearer but it should be obvious that I'm talking about a UK context of 70s punk (and the 80s pop fallout) and acid house as a pop phenom.
Yeah I could argue that the pop charts are less interesting in 1985 than in 1981, it's hardly a new claim. Don't take it personally - I was partly wondering why the 1976 guy above would set himself apart.
― Noel Scott Emits (Noel Emits), Saturday, 16 November 2019 16:44 (four years ago) link
Please don't "U mad bro?" me, thanks.
― tantric societal collapse (rushomancy), Saturday, 16 November 2019 17:02 (four years ago) link
...Second Reality?
(I didn't see Jesus on Es but I did grab the mod from aminet and then steal the breakbeat sample from it)
anyway generations are all very confusing but I resent this Karen thing without really knowing what it is or what it's a reference to, which I fully expect to be told is a very Karen thing to do, idk
xposts but aren't generational cultural touchstones always driven by people who were old enough to have picked up on the last generation's touchstones? I mean that time delay is kind of built in
― a passing spacecadet, Saturday, 16 November 2019 17:07 (four years ago) link
I’ve encountered some older Gen X armchair punks who are extremely fucking reactionary. There’s a notorious Atlanta zine run by one of them that I pray to god gets washed away in a righteous Gen Z internet uprising sometime soon
― esempio (crüt), Saturday, 16 November 2019 17:13 (four years ago) link
basically white dudes who think their misogyny, homophobia, and racism means they’re sticking it to the establishment and thinking independently
― esempio (crüt), Saturday, 16 November 2019 17:15 (four years ago) link
Gen n: we have cultural touchstones you don’t ~understand~Gen n+ 1: FUCK U, WE GET THEM, O BOY DO WE THEY SUCK AND EVEN U DONT GET THEM.
― and i approve this message (Hunt3r), Saturday, 16 November 2019 17:16 (four years ago) link
aren't generational cultural touchstones always driven by people who were old enough to have picked up on the last generation's touchstones? I mean that time delay is kind of built in
Well, exactly.
The point was simply that there's *one* difference (in the UK) between growing up 65-73, and after that.
Not a definer of an entire geberation and the suggestion that one is "arguably" better than the other was a little gentle retort to Ashley Pomeroy above. i.e. a joke.
― Noel Scott Emits (Noel Emits), Saturday, 16 November 2019 17:25 (four years ago) link
yesterday a friends 14 year old daughter was telling me about karens (had never heard the term before).in her world they are basically pushy mums who get their kids involved in every after school club etc.
― mark e, Saturday, 16 November 2019 17:28 (four years ago) link
Twenty-somethings I speak to all say that big Karen energy is wanting to speak to a manager, having highlights on a Rachel from Friends hairstyle variant they haven’t abandoned since the show was on broadcast, and calling other women ‘hunni’ on FB.
― santa clause four (suzy), Saturday, 16 November 2019 17:32 (four years ago) link
That, and she's an anti-vaxxer.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 16 November 2019 17:38 (four years ago) link
xp crut:https://www.chunklet.com/ ?
― sarahell, Saturday, 16 November 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link
And in ref to the Gen-X subdivision -- this thread could serve as a demarcation line:
Here we post radio-slick, ultracompressed Modern Rock singles 1987-1990 w/ huge gated drums & lots of chorus! (youtube thread)
A few weeks ago I was arguing on fb w/a friend born in the mid-60s about when the Cure stopped being good in response to another friend who was born in the mid-60s earnestly trying to feel the love for the Disintegration album. Anyway, the latter friend just died a couple days ago.
― sarahell, Saturday, 16 November 2019 17:49 (four years ago) link
xp not speaking for crut but I assumed he meant https://stompandstammer.com/
― Brad C., Saturday, 16 November 2019 18:02 (four years ago) link
is there a non-US version of this generational warfare or
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Saturday, 16 November 2019 19:37 (four years ago) link
"...Second Reality?
― a passing spacecadet"
of course, second reality rocked my world, fucking purple motion d00d
"basically white dudes who think their misogyny, homophobia, and racism means they’re sticking it to the establishment and thinking independently
― esempio (crüt)"
look i grew up on, like, fucking answer me! and bill hicks, i'm not going to say gen x is blameless. some of us have grown and learned since that time and some of us, well, still listen to whatever the fuck jim goad is saying these days.
"is there a non-US version of this generational warfare or
― deems of internment (darraghmac)"
it probably involves acid house deems?
― tantric societal collapse (rushomancy), Saturday, 16 November 2019 19:42 (four years ago) link
sarahell - I know the band chunklet but am not familiar with the zine - I’m talking about st0mp and st4mm3r
― esempio (crüt), Saturday, 16 November 2019 19:48 (four years ago) link
chunklet is generally better known in gen-x circles tbh
― sarahell, Saturday, 16 November 2019 19:58 (four years ago) link
Wow, I'd never even heard of that site (stomp etc.) before today. I read three articles (Charlie's Angels movie review, Taylor Swift album review, Orwells album review) quickly and will never be back.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Saturday, 16 November 2019 20:45 (four years ago) link
ive never heard of it either and went to it after unpersons ref to see how anything current could sound so boring. I landed on a scots and beck splash page and the anachronistic whiplash severed my head from my body
― and i approve this message (Hunt3r), Saturday, 16 November 2019 21:21 (four years ago) link
Josefa at 10:41 16 Nov 19I think of 1965-1975 as Strong-X, 1961-1964 and 1976-1980 as Weak-X, or transitional gens if you prefer. As a Strong-Xer I do notice stereotypical Millennial traits creeping in with that '76-'80 cohort, and I don't relate to them as much as I do the pre-'76ers as a rule.eh I mean this just points out the silliness of this, I was born in 74 and definitely relate a hell of a lot more to my friends from HS and my own sister who were born in 76 than I do someone born in 65I think there are mini generations, basically ppl that were like 2/3 years older than you in HS and to ppl that were 2/3 years younger
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 16 November 2019 21:53 (four years ago) link
Is there any way to avoid repeating arguments about what years generations start and stop?
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 16 November 2019 23:12 (four years ago) link
not that I know of
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 16 November 2019 23:30 (four years ago) link
No
― tokyo rosemary, Saturday, 16 November 2019 23:30 (four years ago) link
ILX is pretty much repeat the same argument over and over again on most topics.
― tokyo rosemary, Saturday, 16 November 2019 23:31 (four years ago) link
I mean everybody in the world does that
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 16 November 2019 23:34 (four years ago) link
even truthbombs are long forgotten when the Thread that gave them birth comes again
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 16 November 2019 23:38 (four years ago) link
aw nice gonna go read wheel of time again now
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Saturday, 16 November 2019 23:56 (four years ago) link
anyway
strong gen x 76 urban wite guy has more or less in common with a weak gen x 78 urban black guy than a strong gen x 76 rural wite chick?
i just need to know before i finalise this card game im developing, thx
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 November 2019 00:00 (four years ago) link
misread that as "unban"
― sarahell, Sunday, 17 November 2019 00:12 (four years ago) link
if we are gonna just repeat the same arguments over and over again, we could always go back to who should be unbanned or why not
― sarahell, Sunday, 17 November 2019 00:13 (four years ago) link
Do we ban Strong X or Weak X?
― tokyo rosemary, Sunday, 17 November 2019 00:26 (four years ago) link
Generation X began on the day Malcolm X was assassinated and ended on the day Los Angekes by X was released.
― pplains, Sunday, 17 November 2019 00:33 (four years ago) link
every gen xer remembers where they were when they heard about the film jfk
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 November 2019 00:54 (four years ago) link
I am my own generation and it is better than yours ✌︎('ω'✌︎ )
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 17 November 2019 01:24 (four years ago) link
i always thought stomp and stammer guy was a youngish boomer but i guess he could be gen x? when i was like 13 or 14 i had an under-the-table part time job at the b00k n00k on buf0rd h1ghw4y, where he was like the music section guy....but my sense of how old "old" people were was probably pretty distorted
― weird ilx but sb (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 17 November 2019 02:09 (four years ago) link
sheesh you really dont want them hunting u down for that back tax eh
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 November 2019 02:30 (four years ago) link
xp i actually don't know for sure whether he's an old gen xer or a young boomer but i'm guessing he was born sometime in the 60s
― 💠 (crüt), Sunday, 17 November 2019 02:46 (four years ago) link
xpost hahahahahaha
― weird ilx but sb (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 17 November 2019 05:51 (four years ago) link
how gen x is this? i saw the chunklet guy front an mc5 cover band halloween night. i wore earplugs.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Sunday, 17 November 2019 07:22 (four years ago) link
idk how "gen x" that is, but it does remind me of when we repeatedly argued about "what and who is a hipster"
― sarahell, Sunday, 17 November 2019 18:59 (four years ago) link
RIP Carles
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Sunday, 17 November 2019 19:02 (four years ago) link