THE IRISHMAN, A Martin Scorsese Picture with de Niro, Pacino, Pesci, Keitel

the more i think about it the more awful the de-aging is. we will probably look back at it and it will look like the cgi in lord of the rings looks now, hokey as hell. the fact that the also used cgi for BREAKING FUCKING GLASS was pretty egregious

I didn't mind it b/c I saw the de-aging as another example of Sheeran as unreliable narrator.

lol come on

man morbs you know i find your takes on movies so often helpful and thoughtprovoking, but don't you think it might better facilitate converstion to type "i read that scene differently," or "that's interesting but it isn't how it landed with me," instead of "wrong" and "you're wrong"?

cgi in lord of the rings looks now, hokey as hell.

think most of this still looks p good tbh

this was more like Benjamin Button

also lol how did I miss that Joey Gallo was Dylan's "Joey" omg

That explains why he was so frail and slow in his youth

and yeah i actually really like the take that the uncanny de-aging effect is really appropriate for a tale told by an old man about his own life. it could be bogus, but it makes me get something extra out of the movie. certainly it would be SOME kind of artistic justification not to just cast a younger actor (like when that one guy whose name I forget played Marlon Brando's younger self in that other mafia movie). now if scorsese uses it again in some other movie where that doesn't apply, that might fall apart a little.

I can't see this process being used in a similar way ever again, frankly

now i'm kind of amazed at marty's restraint in not fitting a rambunctious live version of "Joey" into the soundtrack. or having de-aged Dylan show up to croon it at Frank's honorary dinner.

Lol DC

no regrets coyote

rolling thunder era dylan face, makeup and hat

"must be santa" era dylan voice and facial hair

joooooooo-ey

and as a result, in a tarantino-esque twisted-history ending, hoffa does himself in

Shoots himself in the back of the head so it will look like foul play, forever trolling his survivors

Joe Pesci in rolling thunder era dylan face, makeup and hat would look like Robert Blake in Lost Highway.

He kinda looked like an aging Hamburglar as it was

Doc C, it's NA.

Anyway, can't say I've seen deNiro better in 30 years.

Soderbergh used de-aging on Matt Damon in the Liberace film, right?

deniro better in : heat, casino, jackie brown

and

analyze that

I know when I think about my own younger years, I look to myself like a video game NPC whose face never moves.

oh i and was wrong he's supposed to be 24, not 26, in the earliest flashback

Don't people from Philly come out the womb looking 40

jiv, he's good in JB and Casino (Heat went in my memory dump). This is by far a tougher role, very little volatility or big emotions.

sheeran is supposed to be 26 years old in the first flashback with the truck LOL

Alfred Hitchcock ("I call those people The Plausibles") to thread

stay away from The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance i guess

Don't people from Philly come out the womb looking 40

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Lol touche

feel responsible for this change argument cuz i glossed dc's "tragedy" remark as meaning "unchanging characters", which was bad. "what kind of man makes a call like that?" is as much as to ask "what kind of man am i?" but then since the answer is right there (the kind who makes a call like that) maybe he does understand (see) himself at the end-- that is, learn something. this is a kind of change. however i do think the movie believes character is destiny, which is also why it works that its image of aging is of fully human faces emerging over decades from beneath layers of mask.

oh he said "nobody changes" too actually, whatever

understanding certainly feels like a change but you are still the same suspended quantum string ykno?

since its idea of damning yourself is about surrendering the will-- to orders and jargon (the orwellian pairing)-- it is a particularly cruel universe the movie makes for us in which we never see him be any other person than this one, unless you count the one who wonders if he has been this one. but the priest does offer him redemption of the will (redemption rendered impressively precise and mechanical-- "seeing yourself" as the last action available to take for yourself) and at the end the door is literally open to it, so i suppose it is a catholic movie and not a tragedy.

what if you believe people never change -- instead, people discover or suppress virtues/flaws?

then there is the nietzschean nurse, who's gonna have to put him through all of this again. is self-knowledge the first step out of recurrence? idk xp2self

Saw this a second time for something I'm working on--would not have otherwise. Nothing much to add to what I posted above: it's good, and it's also careful and kind of forgettable. I did confirm something that I noticed the first time and forgot to check: Hoffa's wife is played by Welker White, Lois the babysitter in Goodfellas.

oh word? very cool

Yea i recognized her immediately. Made me happy

forgettable? no, that's HEAT.

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Tbh I’m sympathetic to Scorsese’s take that we accept makeup even when we know it’s fake and might not look 100% real, we should be able to get over digital makeup the same way. It looked weird in some parts but w/e, I get it.

On the other hand I heard Pacino say in an interview that he saw a full cut of the movie without any of the cgi, I can only imagine how weird and funny that must have been

not as weird as you think. they show some of the making-of footage in the Netflix extra - they just really just pancaked on the physical makeup before doing the digital work

There's an absolute army of digital artists in the end credits, probably the most for any movie that doesn't involve spaceships and/or superheroes.

but there's *some* of this in all studio films by now, surely

np Neand, just havin fun

I think I read that they did it in the new Pee Wee movie a couple years ago. I wonder if its much more common that we realize, and & only noticed when it's particularly clunky and/or publicized.

I had a few things to say about it.

I mean you've got people making fairly convincing deepfakes in order to get likes on Twitter, not surprising that this would happen in an actual for-profit movie

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/06/business/media/irishman-scorsese-netflix-ratings.html

... 18 percent of audiences watched the movie in its entirety on the first day of streaming.

or fell asleep and left it running, or the numbers are completely made up, no way to know. but heartening if true!

Yeah Netflix “ratings” are in the category of data we Brits call “chinny reckon”