xp. strangely TNG mention that in 2024 irish unification happens.
and that ds9 ep also prognosticates that the neo-trotskyists will soon be in power in france
― bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Monday, 13 January 2020 17:46 (four years ago) link
which, if la france insoumise were more popular, would be kind of accurate maybe?
― bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Monday, 13 January 2020 17:47 (four years ago) link
I could see the sanctuary district thing happening if it gave a huge kickback to the property owners that topped the amount they'd make from redevelopment
― babu frik fan account (mh), Monday, 13 January 2020 18:11 (four years ago) link
Star Trek had a nuclear apocalypse in the late '90s IIRC
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:21 (four years ago) link
same
― que pasa picasso (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 06:47 (four years ago) link
i know they shared a lot of writers, but did ds9 pick up a lot of tng staff once it was off the air? would that explain the general uptick in quality with season 4?
― j., Friday, 31 January 2020 07:25 (four years ago) link
He Has 17,700 Bottles of Hand Sanitizer and Nowhere to Sell Them pic.twitter.com/PZySdov6Po— Carta Monir (@CartaMonir) March 14, 2020
― mookieproof, Saturday, 14 March 2020 21:54 (four years ago) link
lol, thought that scenario felt familiar. Although I don't remember ever hoping that Quark's would get looted in the wake of a failed scheme.
― Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Saturday, 14 March 2020 22:08 (four years ago) link
Anyone complaining that ST: Picard is too slow has not watched this show recently.
― justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 5 April 2020 19:21 (four years ago) link
HOW DARE U
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 5 April 2020 19:39 (four years ago) link
this one's mostly episodic though other than like 4 or 5 episodes per season that advance the Plot? its not 'slow' if its executing a complete story every episode imo
i haven't seen picard so maybe that's the same idk
― ciderpress, Sunday, 5 April 2020 19:43 (four years ago) link
IDK, because of my love for Trek and my respect for the participants of this thread, and their enthusiasm, I have been trying for a while to get into DS9. I've watched about 2 1/2 seasons over the last couple of years, but have forgotten what took place in most of the episodes so I've been rewatching select eps from S2 & S3 to keep at it. Anyway, I still find most of the characters to be less than compelling. I don't really know what Dax is or does still, Bashir I'm warming to, Quark I like, but everyone with the exception of O'Brien TALKS WAY TOO MUCH. The only person to really own it, and who I'm finally getting into as I'm getting close to the end of S3, is Avery Brooks and his demented, go for broke line readings no matter what the occasion.
By and large, the pace is excruciating, even on the self contained eps. Story arc-wise, I did like the one where the Dominion clowned the Cardassians & Romulans in one fell swoop. That was well written and paced, but it took an entire episode of setup to get there.
Anyway, I have plenty of time to keep at it and see where it goes.
― justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 5 April 2020 20:31 (four years ago) link
I don't really know what Dax is or does still
There's behind the scenes stuff that kind of explains Dax's fuzziness, namely that the original scope for the character was to be a mentor figure dripping with gravitas, but Terry Farrell, being relatively new to acting, said she felt she couldn't pull it off, which sent Dax into a limbo until they settled on Action Barbie (her term) and party girl.
My beef with STP isn't its narrative slowness so much as its patchy and flimsy world-building, which is an area in which DS9 is unrivaled among the other Trek properties.
Other things that I love are Sisko and Jake's unbridled affection for each other, Garak, Kira yelling at people.
― Triceratops Vowell (Leee), Monday, 6 April 2020 18:18 (four years ago) link
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/05/deep-space-nine-the-trek-spinoff-that-saved-the-day-by-staying-put/
― DJI, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 22:48 (three years ago) link
The time-traveling San Francisco episodes are overly too prescient and I hope they're not quite our world. They're much closer than I think the writers ever intended!
― mh, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 23:15 (three years ago) link
If Jeff Bezos wants to justify some of his zillions, he should fund the HD-ing of DS9.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Wednesday, 27 May 2020 00:58 (three years ago) link
just read (parts of) the 'star trek - the second 25 years' and lol
it's essentially just endless bitching by writers, most of whom were fired, complaining that they 'couldn't tell stories' because of roddenberry or berman or braga or the network. i mean it doesn't even *mention* that two ds9 actors had a baby during the show's run.
the exception is behr, who went ham at the end of ds9 (and will not shut up about it)
berman comes across as a dick, but at least a self-aware and superficially diplomatic one. except for 'it's so difficult to find beautiful young women who can actually act.' maurice hurley didn't even bother with that.
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 01:07 (three years ago) link
also everyone absolutely loves the bakula
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 01:10 (three years ago) link
I’ve gotten up to the early 3rd season in this, and it’s definitely coming together a bit more. I agree with a lot of mookieproof’s criticisms, there were a number of season 2 episodes that created interesting and difficult problems and then came up with ridiculous resolutions. (Sending a rapidly expanding mini-universe...somewhere else, Garak just killing a Cardassian officer with zero consequences, etc.)
I loved the episode with Garak’s malfunctioning implant. Really liked O’Brien living out The Trial and Kira getting turned into a Cardassian. Mirror dimension was fun, the whole cast seemed to be having a great time, especially Brooks. Still find Dax pretty boring, and Kira’s love interest is such a drag.
― JoeStork, Friday, 25 September 2020 02:28 (three years ago) link
that is not the *least* of the shit o'brien 'lives out' (you'll know it when you get there)
and yeah if you like it so far it basically only gets better!
― mookieproof, Friday, 25 September 2020 02:56 (three years ago) link
Standing by my offer to take Bezos off the guillotine list if he paid for a 4K DS9 remaster.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 25 September 2020 03:05 (three years ago) link
you need to ask for more
― mookieproof, Friday, 25 September 2020 03:06 (three years ago) link
He still has to go to the reeducation camp.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 25 September 2020 04:19 (three years ago) link
can't tell if you're stupid or just not funny
let us know if you figure it out
― mookieproof, Friday, 25 September 2020 04:27 (three years ago) link
gutted, just gutted
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 25 September 2020 04:33 (three years ago) link
oof, sorry. that was lame and uncalled for by me -- apologies
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EixOp3VUcAEcp9S?format=jpg&name=small
― mookieproof, Friday, 25 September 2020 17:28 (three years ago) link
Whomst among us has not...
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 25 September 2020 17:36 (three years ago) link
Watched the documentary on the show which I thought was very good. Check it out if you have the chance
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 25 September 2020 18:06 (three years ago) link
Full yet incidental series spoilers but amusing: https://youtu.be/bQPB5xzxlQQ
― Kaliningrad Oberst (Leee), Saturday, 26 September 2020 05:45 (three years ago) link
is ezri dax a manic pixie dream girl y/n
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 04:08 (three years ago) link
besides the haircut? nah
― Nhex, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 04:09 (three years ago) link
yes and no yes outwardly v pixie dream girlno bc inwardly = old manmanic pixie dream girl old man
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 04:10 (three years ago) link
i think the inner old man only really emerged when convenient, as with the *insanely* over-the-top joran manifestation or when prodding worf. which is fine
that said i think she and they did a pretty great job with her character
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 04:18 (three years ago) link
tbf an aspect of mpdg is always ~unknown knowledge~ but hedged behind a social anxiety that makes them accessible to dorks
― mh, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 04:47 (three years ago) link
as i'm rewatching S07 after like a year and a half it seems i too want to live in the holosuite
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 04:48 (three years ago) link
the inherent thing isn’t “wow I can introduce this girl to things only I know” but “this girl has the secret keys to fixing my internal problems” so she’s definitely mpdg
― mh, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 04:49 (three years ago) link
so say we all xpost
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 04:49 (three years ago) link
xp you and Nog just chilling in there
― mh, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 04:50 (three years ago) link
I've decided the only way I'll get through this series is by turning my internet-browsing procrastination into DS9 procrastination for a couple of months. Just watched the pilot. It's pretty charming, tantalising setup for all the political stuff, likably stupid but not-TNG-season 1-stupid, and some of the dialogue is... quite good? I think I will split the diff between these two watchlists.
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 19 March 2021 10:52 (three years ago) link
I've seen the pilot three times, when it first came out, for previous failed rewatch sometime in the past decade, and yesterday. The only things I ever remember are the shot of Sisko in the escape pod at the start, Sisko's swimsuit, and the "OW!".
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 19 March 2021 11:00 (three years ago) link
yeah i just rewatched emissary again the other day and that shot from the pov of the escape pod is stunning
― clouds, Saturday, 20 March 2021 21:57 (three years ago) link
For a bad first season, this is a pretty great first season, so I’m excited about when this actually gets good.
I have a watchlist of which episodes to skip, but after watching ”Progress” (moving!) and an actually enjoyable Lwaxana episode (!), neither of which were on the list, I’m thinking I might as well watch the whole lot.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 22:43 (three years ago) link
i really thought the first season was not bad, although it absolutely does get better. a better first season than TNG imo (I just did the TNG rewatch, i prefer it slightly to DS9 overall but it's fairly close for me).
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 22:53 (three years ago) link
I'll go to bat for DS9's first season, even "Move Along Home!" And DS9's Lwaxana episodes put her TNG episodes to shame, because in the latter, she's basically a "LOL old harridan" but DS9 gives her emotional depth and shading.
I will only recommend one episode to categorically skip, that being "Profit & Lace" i.e. the trans-Quark lol emotional wimmin episode, which is irredeemably awful and objectionable.
― Ovid-19 (Leee), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 23:09 (three years ago) link
Ok I have to watch that now. Move Along Home was very silly but not unenjoyable, so miles better than early TNG nonsense. Basically almost every one of the main ensemble is a fun character actor, so it’s enjoyable watching them even when the stories r dumb.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 23:20 (three years ago) link
Oh no what have I done.
― Ovid-19 (Leee), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 23:52 (three years ago) link
haha profit & lace was the only episode i skipped when i watched the series -- hadn't even heard anything about it, just saw the preview and thought 'that sounds terrible'
― mookieproof, Thursday, 8 April 2021 00:14 (three years ago) link
yeah i wouldn't skip anything in DS9, there's a couple stinkers each season but those watch guides throw away tons of good ones just because they're lower stakes or whatever
― ciderpress, Thursday, 8 April 2021 00:25 (three years ago) link
Out of morbid curiosity, I checked https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Profit_and_Lace_(episode)#Reception, which has this delightful nugget:
This episode received Star Trek 101's "Spock's Brain" Award for Worst Episode of Deep Space Nine.
― Ovid-19 (Leee), Thursday, 8 April 2021 00:33 (three years ago) link
my main complaint about the early seasons is that they wouldn't let sisko shave his head
― mookieproof, Thursday, 8 April 2021 00:51 (three years ago) link