Why would it even matter if Bernie did say, in an ostensibly private conversation, that he didn't think a woman could win in 2020? What's wrong with that?
― JRN, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:26 (four years ago) link
idk i’d yell at someone on ilx if they said that
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:29 (four years ago) link
Only that it confirms what katherine wrote earlier today about the messianism and institutional sexism in which so many of his worst followers traffic.
Again, campaign staffers gotta eat.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:31 (four years ago) link
it doesn't sound consistent with other stuff bernie says
― treeship., Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:32 (four years ago) link
but who knows
People do remember Obama vs Clinton, right? That was kinda like this, except neither of them believed in shit.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:33 (four years ago) link
I don't see how the alleged remark traffics in either messianism or institutional sexism. I suppose it could have, depending on the context, but we don't know the context.
― JRN, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:34 (four years ago) link
― treeship., Monday, January 13, 2020
It is however consistent with what his 2016 staff did to the Nevada Dem state chair.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:34 (four years ago) link
― JRN, Monday, January 13, 2020
Exactly. This is Mike Allen-level gossip looking for a Morning Joe to revel in it.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:35 (four years ago) link
xp — I have very purposefully not weighed in on this latest turn of events but my stance is that every part of it is shitty and it would have been better off not happening (both whatever the remark was and it surfacing like this) but it doesn’t really change my views about either candidate, except to make me even less inclined to talk about them
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:37 (four years ago) link
that sounded exactly like something bernie would offhandedly say and then deny ever saying or brushing off. xpost. and i like Bernie! But a comment like is a whole subcategory of shit men later have no recollection ever having said. It's a very tired thing.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:38 (four years ago) link
We have no idea of the Trump-specific context Bernie's entire sentence was in, whether he was aware how his sentence could be parsed that way, whether Warren misheard him, etc etc etc. They both still support each other and they both have policy platforms that would be good for the country, for the populace, and for the planet. Being disappointed in speculation about personal conversations is a waste of time and energy.
Policy >>>> personality, even if we really knew enough to assess their personalities as sucking, which we don't.
― don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:38 (four years ago) link
xp my stance is that every part of it is shitty and it would have been better off not happening (both whatever the remark was and it surfacing like this) but it doesn’t really change my views about either candidate
yah
― don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:39 (four years ago) link
katherine otm
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:39 (four years ago) link
The only upside is it's unlikely anyone of consequence will be talking about this within 3-4 days
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:44 (four years ago) link
Sanders remarking that Clinton's close loss in 2016 speaks to the difficulty of getting a woman elected as president in a country as fucking sexist as America is plausible, but that's me finding context in he-said/she-said in which I incline to agree with Warren anyway because America is a fucking sexist country. Men -- I include myself -- have no idea how we come off when we hammer points at women.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:48 (four years ago) link
hm
― treeship., Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:51 (four years ago) link
But a comment like is a whole subcategory of shit men later have no recollection ever having said.
otm
― 💠 (crüt), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:54 (four years ago) link
Yes. One comment, apparently made during a private conversation between two politicians who were considering running for the same office, expressing a hunch about what might theoretically happen when the votes were cast about sixteen months in the future, really ought to be our focus of attention now. Because these things matter deeply to the fate of the na... uh, nope, nevermind.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:55 (four years ago) link
the reason we're talking about it is because members of the warren campaign leaked it
― treeship., Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:57 (four years ago) link
we don't have to talk about it!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 03:00 (four years ago) link
of course! that explains why we are treating this as a momentous event! next, they may leak that Bernie puts russian dressing on his reuben sandwich.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 03:01 (four years ago) link
Hey Mike, it's Young han with Bernie 2020! Did you hear? Senator Nina Turner is hosting a House Party with Dr. Cornel West and Dionna Langford in Des Moines on Wednesday, Jan 15 at 6:00 PM. Are you able to join them?just got this text and... maybe? the guests are getting more intense tbh
― babu frik fan account (mh), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 03:02 (four years ago) link
Young Han?
― treeship., Tuesday, 14 January 2020 03:04 (four years ago) link
we cannot pass up an opportunity to reiterate that ALL m... naaah
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 03:08 (four years ago) link
xp Sounds like a normal Korean name
― jaymc, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 03:13 (four years ago) link
i thought it was some kind of rapper trying to work in a han solo reference
― treeship., Tuesday, 14 January 2020 03:14 (four years ago) link
that thought seems offensive now though
― treeship., Tuesday, 14 January 2020 03:15 (four years ago) link
Bernie's got the Yung Titties endorsement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlhEKVIS2uk
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 03:21 (four years ago) link
huh, could have sworn I’d changed that to have mh instead of a first name. now I’ll never anonymously meet Cornel West!
― babu frik fan account (mh), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 03:52 (four years ago) link
Treesh, why is Warren responsible for what members of her campaign is doing when Bernie gets to go 'it's a large campaign, I can't control everyone' all the time?
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 08:39 (four years ago) link
The Warren campaign just released the transcript of that meeting. Doesn’t look good for Bernie pic.twitter.com/HGPki1esSg— pixelatedboat aka “mr tweets” (@pixelatedboat) January 14, 2020
― symsymsym, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 08:51 (four years ago) link
[BREAKING] Democratic party insiders now report that in October 2018, Mr. Sanders and an unidentified shorter assailant stole and escaped with Ms. Warren's pickanick basket while vacationing at Jellystone Park— lauren (@LLW902) January 13, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 09:20 (four years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/mxEsZpFvMb— Alex (@AlexSheltman) January 13, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 10:34 (four years ago) link
Turns out “capitalist to the bones” means something.— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) January 14, 2020
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 12:15 (four years ago) link
These were just random loser supporters, I thought? Is there any evidence that any of Sanders's staff harassed or threatened the state chair?
Also, it is a matter of record that he encouraged Warren to run in 2016 before running himself, I thought?
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 13:05 (four years ago) link
Can’t believe Warren can’t even finish the job properly.
― steer karma (gyac), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 13:05 (four years ago) link
that henwood tweet and the replies to it made me dumber
can’t wait for the fuckin primary to be over
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 13:08 (four years ago) link
y’all.... Bernie is the one who fucked up here not Warren. it doesn’t mean it’s gonna tank his campaign. but Bernie bros acting like assholes about this might make things worse.
― 💠 (crüt), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 13:09 (four years ago) link
a reply by what looked like a bot made my blood pressure rise
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 13:22 (four years ago) link
love too be a Bernie brohonestly not sure what he said was highly controversial considering it was the US and the last election people chose an unqualified mendacious liar over a female candidate ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― steer karma (gyac), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 13:25 (four years ago) link
Yeah, I don't think this needs to be read as some kind of devious stratagem by Warren. Maybe Sanders did, uncharacteristically, make some comment like this in private and some staffers heard about it and commented on it to CNN. Warren may well have not wanted it to become a public matter but, when pressed, did just acknowledge it and emphasize that she wants to move past it.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 13:28 (four years ago) link
Her statement does not read that way at all imo.
― steer karma (gyac), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 13:28 (four years ago) link
The timing is what's really unfortunate
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 13:30 (four years ago) link
honestly not sure what he said was highly controversial considering it was the US and the last election people chose an unqualified mendacious liar over a female candidate ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― steer karma (gyac)
If you're a guy talking to a woman, without knowing the context of the conversation, this comment can be interpreted several ways, especially if body language is involved.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 13:30 (four years ago) link
I know!
― steer karma (gyac), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 13:34 (four years ago) link
I think given everything else we know about Sanders, gyac's charitable read makes sense. I don't believe dude is a misogynist, but it was definitely a tone-deaf thing for him to say.
― may the force leave us alone (zchyrs), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 13:36 (four years ago) link
nobody knows what anybody said
it's incumbent on voters to assess ppl's character the best we can and try despite our biases not to get pulled into this stuff
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 13:39 (four years ago) link
What’s wrong with just staying neutral on this one? We don’t know the precise nuance of the original comment. It could have been as Warren described it or as Sanders described it.
― jmm, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 13:43 (four years ago) link
I am “neutral” but that Henwood bullshit made me see red
― 💠 (crüt), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 13:45 (four years ago) link