'what Amis does when he does it well' - yes. But how often does he do it well? Money is the great exception: it seems to contain a lot of the things I mentioned, but is too magnificent a piece of writing not to compel admiration. His other novels are often train wrecks, to my eyes.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 10:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Hand, you mean RICHARD Ford. But your reading is impressive !!
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 10:31 (fifteen years ago) link
i do in fact mean richard ford. it's one of those plain names that i'm always getting wrong.
pf i fear that my reading is actually not very impressive at all! the number of truly perceptive and momentous works of fiction that i will fail to even fleetingly consider reading fills me with the most tightening feeling of anxiety.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 10:36 (fifteen years ago) link
you really like the USA trilogy?? i kind of... respect it, but man - it was hard goin.
that's how i feel about pynchon/gravity's rainbow. also i LOVE mid-20th century US realism like dreiser, sinclair lewis and john o'hara. almost nobody reads them anymore.
― m coleman, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 10:37 (fifteen years ago) link
those plain ordinary names ARE hard - I always mix Tracer Hand up with Trouble Hand, Table Hand, Tuesday Hand and the like
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 10:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Five's quite difficult, but more or less off the top of my head -
The Alteration - Kingsley AmisThe Image of a Drawn Sword - Jocelyn BrookeThe Real Life of Sebastian Knight - NabokovVenusberg - Anthony PowellJourney by Moonlight - Antal Szerb
― GamalielRatsey, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 10:48 (fifteen years ago) link
"The Real Life of Sebastian Knight - Nabokov"
I am fairly sure I rea dit but for the life of me can't remember if it was any good.:-( I just like Lolita I guess.
― I GOTTA BRAKE FREEEEE (stevienixed), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 11:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Kazuo Ishiguro, The UnconsoledJoseph Heller, Catch 22John Banville, CopernicusIain Sinclair, Radon DaughtersThe Lord of the Rings <-- yeah, what of it?
― ledge, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 11:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Brighton Rock by Graham Greene.
Anything else can go suck it.
― b!tchass, birdchested bastard sees a dude bigger than he (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 12:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Dalton Trumbo - Johnny Got His GunRobert Heinlein - Starship TroopersJoseph Heller - Catch-22Mark Twain - The Adventures of Huckleberry FinnTim O'Brien - Going After CacciatoNeil Stephenson - The Diamond AgeWilliam Gibson - NeuromancerStephen King - The Stand
― get money fuck witches (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 12:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Anthony Powell Dance to the Music of Time sequenceWG Sebald Austerlitz (but take your pick of his finished novels really)Kazuo Ishiguro Remains of the DayGeorge Eliot MiddlemarchJohn Kennedy Toole A Confedreacy of DuncesJG Farrell The Singapore GripArthur Conan Doyle The Hound of the BaskervillesEvelyn Waugh Sword of Honour trilogyPatrick Hamilton Hangover SquarePaul Auster Leviathan
List subject to change on a daily basis (apart from Powell), and I'm bound to kick myself later when I remember ones that should be there.
― Achtung Blobby (Neil S), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 12:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Russell Hoban - Riddley WalkerAndre Gide - The Vatican CellarsStendhal - The Red & the BlackAlain-Fournier - Le Grand MeaulnesDostoyevsky - Crime & PunishmentKnut Hamsun - MysteriesAlejo Carpentier - The Lost StepsGabriel Garcia Marquez - 100 Years of SolitudeWilliam Faulkner - As I Lay DyingCormac McCarthy - All the Pretty Horses
― Enemy Insects (NickB), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 12:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Mark Twain - The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
(slaps forehead) about due for re-read #4 or 5
Tim O'Brien - Going After Cacciato
the BEST vietnam war novel (or non-fic book for that matter)
― m coleman, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 12:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Alain-Fournier - Le Grand Meaulnes
ooh, had forgotten all about that. read it two or three times as a youth.
― ledge, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 12:49 (fifteen years ago) link
DeLillo's Underworld is my stock answer to this question, though I should point out that I've never actually reread it in the past 10 years, except to open up the book to random pages and marvel at the language.
― great gabbneb's ghost (jaymc), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 12:49 (fifteen years ago) link
JG Ballard and HP Lovecraft are my two absolute favourite writers, but I think they are better represented by their short stories
in a different vein, this is how i feel about richard ford. rock springs is one of my favorite short story collections, but i got too bored with the sportswriter to finish it. nothing wrong with the writing, i just didn't want to spend that much time with that protagonist.
― us_odd_bunny_lady (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 12:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Exile TrilogyLOTRNeuromancerColour Of Magic
― Great Scott! It's Molecular Man. (Ste), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:01 (fifteen years ago) link
ah, I forgot Small Gods
― get money fuck witches (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:02 (fifteen years ago) link
We should do a one hundred greatest novels poll, i think the last one only got as far as the nominations.
― Mr Raif, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:37 (fifteen years ago) link
DeLillo's Underworld
I thought about 75 procent was just perfection, the middle sagged a bit. But what do you expect from a book with so many pages. Great book, I do agree.
― I GOTTA BRAKE FREEEEE (stevienixed), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:40 (fifteen years ago) link
the idea that Ulysses contains something like "disgusting sexual content", or even explicit sexual intercourse, is something of a canard. All the sexual intercourse in it happens off stage or in memory.
you've never masturbated before, have you?
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:41 (fifteen years ago) link
the leopardthe restraint of beaststhe end of the affairlolitathe great gatsbywaterlandwuthering heightsbilly liar
― jesus is the man (jabba hands), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:45 (fifteen years ago) link
hahaha
xp
― Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Joseph Heller, Catch 22
― darraghmac@nebbmail.com (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:47 (fifteen years ago) link
i am confused how disgusting sexual content and vulgarity are necessarily bad in books. unless there's no point or it's just for shock value but otherwise ???
― harbl, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:48 (fifteen years ago) link
i h8 books
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:50 (fifteen years ago) link
for an english lit graduate my knowledge of books is not good
― gosh I actually dig this shit (country matters), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:52 (fifteen years ago) link
*english lit graduate and wannabe novelist, for shame
OTM, it's gay and butch at the same time. xposts
― collardio gelatinous,
Wha???
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, June 23, 2009 Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Combine all-male cast, whaling "how-to" instructional interludes, Ahab's obsession to conquer the whale and its mysteries on the one hand with Queequeg slipping into the bunkbed with Ishmael, scenes with sailors ecstatically squeezing whale sperm through their hands on the other...
― collardio gelatinous, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:53 (fifteen years ago) link
i saw a great staged version of this last year, and the spermaceti-squeezing scene was dead-on-hilarious.
― remy bean, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:54 (fifteen years ago) link
All my friends tell me I'd love Moby Dick
― gosh I actually dig this shit (country matters), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:54 (fifteen years ago) link
too easy
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:55 (fifteen years ago) link
lol oh shit
― gosh I actually dig this shit (country matters), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:58 (fifteen years ago) link
lj moby dick is rad
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:58 (fifteen years ago) link
oh, i forgot The Iron Man
― Great Scott! It's Molecular Man. (Ste), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:59 (fifteen years ago) link
apparently it starts as a novel and then launches into some bizarre poem/play/whaling manual midsection before deciding to become a novel again
i.e. sounds rad
― gosh I actually dig this shit (country matters), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:59 (fifteen years ago) link
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max)
ah you just need a little more distance from college reading lists
― m coleman, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Combine all-male cast...
Right ok. But "gay" and "butch" are paired together in the universe waaaaaaaay more than just in Moby Dick. So why said pairing is special there is a bit perplexing to me.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Ten off the top of my head:
Alfred Bester - The Stars My DestinationJohn Brunner - The Sheep Look UpJim Thompson - A Hell of a WomanWilliam Faulkner - Absalom, AbsalomRaymond Chandler - The Long GoodbyeJG Ballard - High RiseCamus - The PlagueJames Cain - Mildred PierceOscar Wilder - The Picture of Dorian GrayCormac McCarthy - Blood Meridian
― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 14:04 (fifteen years ago) link
the sound and the fury: faulknerulysses: joyce
I like everything else I like about equally.
― akm, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Neil Stephenson - The Diamond Agenice to see someone pick this, this is the only book of his I really really like, I think (Snow Crash is not very well written and the later books are just too much)
― akm, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 14:10 (fifteen years ago) link
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/176/477637650_a4024bddf0.jpg?v=0
Everything else on my list has been mentioned. Jude the Obscure and Lolita are my two picks for favourite. Also Moby Dick, Brighton Rock, A Kestral For a Knave, A Scanner Darkly.
― DavidM, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 14:11 (fifteen years ago) link
I smashed the bed-spring against his cheek
― ledge, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 14:11 (fifteen years ago) link
Love chandler but dunno what I'd pick as a fave, Long Goodbye prob.
― ledge, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 14:12 (fifteen years ago) link
A few that haven't been mentioned yet:
Conrad, NostromoJames, The AmbassadorsMurakami, either Wind-up Bird Chronicles or Hard Boiled Wonderland
― Brad C., Wednesday, 24 June 2009 14:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Who's saying it's special?
― collardio gelatinous, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 14:17 (fifteen years ago) link
― gosh I actually dig this shit (country matters), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 14:52 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
I know how you feel but really it has to be something you take a lifetime to read. I know lots about books and have lists of things I'd like to read but having only been reading properly for about 7 years, I haven't got very far.
That said, I have the afternoon free and am going to see if I can read Lolita cover to cover. Unemployment does have its benefits.
― b!tchass, birdchested bastard sees a dude bigger than he (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 14:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh man don't rush at Lolita you gotta sip that shit like champagne
― my so-called trife (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 14:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Ok, some chapters and then some Football Manager. Either way, it's gonna be a good afternoon.
― b!tchass, birdchested bastard sees a dude bigger than he (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 14:21 (fifteen years ago) link
glad to see a few more mentions of the plague on here. that's one i really took my time with, i found i couldn't rush it. maybe 10-20 pages a day some days -- not because it's hard going exactly, more because it sort of demanded careful attention. i'd read a bit and then put it down and think about it. camus is one of my favorite writers and one of my favorite thinkers.
― us_odd_bunny_lady (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 14:23 (fifteen years ago) link