SANDERS 2020: Your Cowardly Ass Is Just Going To Have To Stand Up
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 22 February 2020 17:30 (four years ago) link
The perfect conditions for a progressive candidate will never happen in this godforsaken system, gotta shoot your shot.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 22 February 2020 17:30 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQY6IYVAfw8
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 22 February 2020 17:31 (four years ago) link
The current head of the Democratic Party is the Speaker of the House, compared to whom the Chairman of the DNC is just a bag man and an errand boy.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 22 February 2020 17:35 (four years ago) link
I’m less worried about the opportunity for a left/progressive policy agenda to succeed than I am about improving on this dire state of affairs http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/02/the-neo-patrimonial-national-security-state-part-ii
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 22 February 2020 17:54 (four years ago) link
It strikes me as pretty pointless to worry about the success of a progressive Sanders agenda vs, say, a Biden center-right agenda given the current Republican approach to politics. It seems like no matter which Democrat might win, the response from the Republicans is going to be the same: deny the Democrats any political victories whatsoever, no matter what damage it does to the American people. It's a proven tactic for getting Republicans re-elected, so why would they let up just because Biden is in the White House? Only their talking points would change with Sanders; their actions would be identical.
― avellano medio Inglés (f. hazel), Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:43 (four years ago) link
My worry isn't failure or success of the agenda itself but whatever left/progressive movement there is fading away because of disappointment (in Sanders or overall). Probably trolling myself because of seeing energy dissipate post WTO protest failure/Iraq protest failure/etc..
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:47 (four years ago) link
The biggest difference between WTO & Iraq and a Sanders (or Warren) administration was that in those earlier cases the protestors had no power center from which to operate apart from the street. I should also note that the progressive influence in the 2016 and 2018 elections was largely built upon the organizing that was done by the Occupy Wall Street and Black Lives Matter movements. The US left has learned some serious lessons post-Iraq and has been applying them.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:56 (four years ago) link
fuuuuck these clowns. My contributions just got $10 higher.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, 22 February 2020 19:05 (four years ago) link
f. hazel otmfm
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, 22 February 2020 19:07 (four years ago) link
― iatee, Saturday, 22 February 2020 19:23 (four years ago) link
Which would 100% guarantee that Biden would have no chance of achieving any policies whatsoever, whereas Sanders, having a clear goal, could continue fighting for that goal, requiring everyone to take clear sides upon it and keeping it alive as a mid-term election issue that the public could reaffirm or repudiate. Which is a political risk, but nothing worth achieving is without risk.
The unanswered question about the voting public is how risk-averse they are. The most risk-averse alternative is Biden, because all he stands for is removing Trump, whose trade wars, inflammatory rhetoric and wildly unpredictable decision making has proved very risky, and replacing him with a mild cipher who apparently wants to accomplish nothing at all.
The riskiest choice is Sanders, mainly because he has identified several very large goals and seems hell bent on making the election be about them, with removing Trump as an incidental goal. Warren is only slightly less risky, if only because she is slightly less insistent on a single, clear message, but her stated policy goals are roughly as radical as those of Sanders.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 22 February 2020 19:38 (four years ago) link
ah yes, the mid-terms, that’s where we’re gonna shine after 2 years of accomplishing nothing.I think people itt vastly underestimate the number of people out there who genuinely believe that sanders is going to achieve what he’s promising because they don’t follow the political process as closely as the average ilxor.
― iatee, Saturday, 22 February 2020 19:56 (four years ago) link
Why not believe in it
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Saturday, 22 February 2020 19:57 (four years ago) link
Oh no my beliefs are false the belief police are going to take me to belief jail— John (@ErrorTheorist) February 22, 2020
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Saturday, 22 February 2020 19:59 (four years ago) link
Today's winner:
sorry pic.twitter.com/LsWjyTGtRi— severian ❄ (@poaststructural) February 21, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:01 (four years ago) link
JUST IN: 6 in 10 Nevada caucus-goers report in exit polls that they support eliminating private insurance & creating a single-payer system, per WaPo gurus @sfcpoll & @EmGusk. Same result in both NH and IowaHealth care *the* top issue in all 3 stateshttps://t.co/HbbJyByU3m— Jeffrey S. Stein (@JStein_WaPo) February 22, 2020
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:01 (four years ago) link
― iatee, Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:30 (four years ago) link
*pretty much no chance
― iatee, Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:31 (four years ago) link
the mid-terms, that’s where we’re gonna shine after 2 years of accomplishing nothing.
Based on your statement, I'd place you in the risk-averse category.
but, if you're counting on Biden, Buttigeig or Klobuchar to accumulate piles of accomplishments that will impress voters during their first half-term, I think you'll discover they won't. Based on their campaigns, they won't even try, because as Homer famously told Bart, trying is just the first step toward failure.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:45 (four years ago) link
But they’re not promising anything, so it’s fine. The winning strategy of 2000, 2004 and 2016 lives on.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:47 (four years ago) link
Now the 12th time this exact argument happened itt
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:48 (four years ago) link
iatee's just playin the hits
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:50 (four years ago) link
we're all v mad bc the gov sucks and we want it to suck less in different ways but in the end only one person can be right and that person is me
― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:50 (four years ago) link
/the mid-terms, that’s where we’re gonna shine after 2 years of accomplishing nothing./Based on your statement, I'd place you in the risk-averse category. but, if you're counting on Biden, Buttigeig or Klobuchar to accumulate piles of accomplishments that will impress voters during their first half-term, I think you'll discover they won't. Based on their campaigns, they won't even try, because as Homer famously told Bart, trying is just the first step toward failure.
― iatee, Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:56 (four years ago) link
ready for that biden/bloomberg slashfic
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:04 (four years ago) link
it’s okay I’ll leave you guys in peace, this can go back to being a tailored collection of Dennis Perrin tweets
― iatee, Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:11 (four years ago) link
you're thinking of the other 6 threads, this is the berners thread where we say bernie sanders in different ways
― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:12 (four years ago) link
like this:
bernie sanders
( i said that w a tx accent)
― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:13 (four years ago) link
sarnie benders
― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:13 (four years ago) link
it’s okay I’ll leave you guys in peace
whatever point you were trying to make was completely unclear to me anyway
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:16 (four years ago) link
iatee is a bernie skeptic which is fine but also not the point of the berners thread
berNE VADArs
― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:21 (four years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZvRNOjWcAADJiE.jpg
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:23 (four years ago) link
From new @DataProgress NV Dem Caucus PollALL voters under 45:Sanders 73%Warren 9%Buttigieg 7%Steyer 5%Gabbard 3%Biden 2%Klobuchar 1%See thread below for more from this poll Source: https://t.co/5pkO6Y0xLT— Eldon Katz 🌹 (@eldon_katz) February 22, 2020
― Fetchboy, Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:26 (four years ago) link
wow
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:31 (four years ago) link
Yo she’s reporting this news about Bernie like one of the hostages didn’t make it. pic.twitter.com/Tc7wYQAABg— Benjamin Dixon (@BenjaminPDixon) February 22, 2020
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:42 (four years ago) link
**SIGH** https://t.co/Jq3hfQb05S— People for Bernie (@People4Bernie) February 22, 2020
― jmm, Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:51 (four years ago) link
I don't think tax cuts were even the main thing Trump promised in 2016?
― With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Saturday, 22 February 2020 22:09 (four years ago) link
something about a wall
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Saturday, 22 February 2020 22:11 (four years ago) link
a what, that's crazy
― j., Saturday, 22 February 2020 22:12 (four years ago) link
It's weird to me that the lesson from "Republicans keep winning with transactional campaigns and following through" is "we shouldn't do that" instead of "maybe we should try that sometime."
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 22 February 2020 22:17 (four years ago) link
Observed at the Univ of Nevada - Reno caucus today. 7 precincts of mostly undergrads in a huge engineering lecture hall. Bernie won 56 out of 63 delegates.
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 22 February 2020 22:38 (four years ago) link
wild
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Saturday, 22 February 2020 22:40 (four years ago) link
Chris Matthews just compared Bernie's inevitable victory to the Nazi defeat of France in World War 2. I'm not joking— Bloomberg Debate Coach (@lib_crusher) February 22, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 22 February 2020 22:46 (four years ago) link
Just saw a post from A+ Memphis garage-post punk band Nots that two members are DJing a $5 entry Bernie fundraiser tonight, he's definitely winning the good music primary.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 22 February 2020 22:47 (four years ago) link
There is a white lady on MSNBC right now suggesting that Latinos are voting for Bernie because the pro-Bernie kids in the family are manipulating their parents who can't speak English. #NevadaCaucus— Fabiana Jung (@JungFabiana) February 22, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 22 February 2020 22:48 (four years ago) link
every time an msnbc anchor has a live meltdown bernie goes up 2 points in the polls
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Saturday, 22 February 2020 23:00 (four years ago) link
…bernie samders
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Saturday, 22 February 2020 23:11 (four years ago) link
sanders
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Saturday, 22 February 2020 23:12 (four years ago) link