See? This is where the Never Trump crowd goes off the rails. This was not an unusual opinion at all in the 1970’s. Daniel Patrick Moynihan believed the same thing. Hell, after Bay of Pigs, in 196-goddamn-2, JFK said he wanted to scatter the CIA “to the four winds." https://t.co/IINTycrWDb— Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) February 23, 2020
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 February 2020 19:05 (four years ago) link
Bernie killing it on Fox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iobSUmdbgo
and look at those positive comments from Fox viewers (although maybe they're Bernie people not Fox people!)
― anvil, Sunday, 23 February 2020 20:00 (four years ago) link
In 1974 the most recent operations of the CIA to come to light was running a huge covert army and air force in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia - secretly and off the books, so that at its height Congress and the public knew nothing about it apart from a few dark rumors. A few years later the Church Committee hearings exposed all kinds of illegal CIA activity in the previous three decades.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 23 February 2020 20:08 (four years ago) link
WALLACE: 'larry summers, NOT a right-wing conservative…'
wellllllll
― j., Sunday, 23 February 2020 20:20 (four years ago) link
Not linking but I really enjoy that US politics also has a Tom Watson and he’s also an accomplished centrist wrecker and they’re friends. And he’s losing it over Bernie.
― hyds (gyac), Sunday, 23 February 2020 22:18 (four years ago) link
After having reasoned political conversations that are tiring, I appreciate that this thread exists so I can simply say:Bernie. Sanders.
― mh, Sunday, 23 February 2020 23:07 (four years ago) link
We're still keeping it weird down here. Bernie is in town and got the one endorsement that truly matters.
“Surprise guest” and native Texan Marianne Williamson endorses Bernie Sanders for president at his rally in Austin, TX pic.twitter.com/wpBb2MK4iM— Emma Kinery (@EmmaKinery) February 23, 2020
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 23 February 2020 23:20 (four years ago) link
One with the Orb
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 23 February 2020 23:22 (four years ago) link
Now this is an endorsement lol.
To be honest, a Sanders administration would probably leave center-left policy wonks like me out in the cold, at least initially. But this is no time for self-indulgence and ego trips. Freedom is on the line 5/— Paul Krugman (@paulkrugman) February 23, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 23 February 2020 23:45 (four years ago) link
the replies are really something
― El Tomboto, Monday, 24 February 2020 00:20 (four years ago) link
I just finished my first shift of canvassing for Tío Bernie!!
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Monday, 24 February 2020 00:49 (four years ago) link
good 4u cg
it's always time for self-indulgence and ego trips
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 February 2020 01:16 (four years ago) link
exactly! I’ll be patting my back to a peaceful slumber tonight
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Monday, 24 February 2020 01:18 (four years ago) link
Toody approved! Stickers, 3 for $5 delivered, and all the cash goes to the Bernie campaign. #BernieSanders2020 #DeadMoon By Dan Cronin with lettering by Shelby Menzel.https://t.co/DmdMABqfrX pic.twitter.com/JlV6HT7Bxh— Backroad to Nowhere (@thumphreypdx) February 4, 2020
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Monday, 24 February 2020 02:52 (four years ago) link
bernie stickders
― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Monday, 24 February 2020 03:04 (four years ago) link
Exposed by Anderson Cooper and trending on Twitter. Bernie is done:
Bernie Sanders defends his 1980s comments about Fidel Castro in an interview on 60 Minutes. https://t.co/ySqvQKoiBU pic.twitter.com/lTwuXWp9sA— 60 Minutes (@60Minutes) February 24, 2020
― With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Monday, 24 February 2020 03:13 (four years ago) link
this stuff hurts sanders in florida, but who gives a shit beyond that.
― sean gramophone, Monday, 24 February 2020 03:16 (four years ago) link
lol love how this would-be gotcha moment becomes a classic bernie pivot into attack on trump
― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Monday, 24 February 2020 03:18 (four years ago) link
He probably will lose Florida, but Hillary also lost Florida, so did Kerry, and we know what happened with Gore.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 24 February 2020 03:18 (four years ago) link
He is literally making excuses for a communist murderer, Twitter will have you know. xps
― With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Monday, 24 February 2020 03:19 (four years ago) link
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/fl/florida_trump_vs_sanders-6842.html
i mean maybe but the sanders v trump polls rn in fl are competitive
xp
― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Monday, 24 February 2020 03:22 (four years ago) link
But yeah, m bison OTM.xp
― With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Monday, 24 February 2020 03:22 (four years ago) link
i think what most impresses me abt bern as a candidate is his ability to stay on message. its frustrating at times when ppl ask for something more granular or detailed, but it makes it where people who dont pay much attention to politics can understand his platform in a relatively short pd of time. and he can draw contrasts b/w him and his opponents while doing so.
― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Monday, 24 February 2020 03:24 (four years ago) link
My parents and relatives weren't voting for a Democrat anyway.
I did confront several squeamish Dems anticipating comments from their parents and relatives.
I reminded them we'd been called Commies and fellow travelers most of our lives anyway.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 February 2020 03:34 (four years ago) link
Fidel Castro is dead. Raul is nearly so. The world moves on. Any comments made 35 year ago should be considered mummified and studied as dead artifacts. If someone wants to know what Bernie thinks is appropriate policy toward Cuba, they should ask him. He'll tell you.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 24 February 2020 04:45 (four years ago) link
Someone should have stepped in before this headline went up on the Washington Post site. https://t.co/h5bBoMiNgH pic.twitter.com/pChEjB3hIG— Jay Rosen (@jayrosen_nyu) February 24, 2020
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Monday, 24 February 2020 04:58 (four years ago) link
Democracy Dies In Darkness is more of a goal than a warning.
― Fetchboy, Monday, 24 February 2020 05:26 (four years ago) link
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 February 2020 03:34 (one hour ago) link
One of my theories about why the "commie" stuff isn't getting more traction is that the GOP has really boy-who-cried-wolfed that one by now, not least with Obama (all his ties to "radicals" and the like). Another is just that there's a growing part of the electorate who was either born after the cold war or doesn't really remember any of it, let alone the scary parts, and a shrinking part of the electorate who does.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 24 February 2020 05:32 (four years ago) link
wapo's about to go beast mode this is just the beginning
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Monday, 24 February 2020 05:43 (four years ago) link
Can we do a poll to determine what percentage of ILX (in 2019) really remembers the Cold War firsthand? Because I don’t - I was born in late 1982 and I literally have no memory of the Berlin Wall falling or the collapse of the Soviet Union. The first international news story I can recall, for some reason, was the capture of Manuel Noriega. I have absolutely no memory of the fall of the Berlin Wall (a month before Noriega’s capture) and the dissolution of the USSR (two full years later) - none.
― thewufs, Monday, 24 February 2020 05:57 (four years ago) link
11 years ago, but...
The ILX user age average Poll
― sleeve, Monday, 24 February 2020 06:00 (four years ago) link
It was definitely talked about in my Grade 6 class. Iirc, a kid who always sat quietly at the back of the room whispered "the wall is falling now but you will all live to one day see socialism come to America".
― With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Monday, 24 February 2020 06:11 (four years ago) link
I was born in '81 but I was a giant nerd so I remember some of the '89-'90 Cold War stuff on TV and then I got hooked on news about the '91 Soviet coup and dissolution.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 24 February 2020 06:25 (four years ago) link
I was born in 79 and I vaguely remember the wall falling, "perestroika" etc. I also absorbed a lot through pop culture stuff like Spies Like Us
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 24 February 2020 06:27 (four years ago) link
78 and I remember all of those things but I didn't feel the anxiety at all. You're a kid, you don't understand the stakes. Scorpions! Wind of Change!
― Yerac, Monday, 24 February 2020 07:15 (four years ago) link
I was also really into the movie White Nights because it was played on cable over and over and over.
― Yerac, Monday, 24 February 2020 07:23 (four years ago) link
I remember the wall falling but didnt understand it (I was 4/5 at the time). I remember also thinking that the Soviet union was a nautical state because I thought the hammer and sickle was an anchor and in the news and popular culture youd often see their submarines and battleships pictured
― frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Monday, 24 February 2020 07:32 (four years ago) link
^ lock thread
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Monday, 24 February 2020 07:35 (four years ago) link
I learned from seeing The Hunt For Red October with my dad that they had a way better national anthem.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 24 February 2020 07:37 (four years ago) link
I went to the Soviet Union in '88 when I was in high school.
― DJI, Monday, 24 February 2020 07:42 (four years ago) link
I was born in ‘82 and I definitely remember the Berlin Wall coming down. I’m sure this is mostly due to being an army brat—we had lived in what was then West Germany just a few years before.
My dad has some interesting Cold War stories. He was stationed with NATO in Italy (where I was born) in the midst of the Nuclear Able Archer ‘83 exercise and the Soviet Nuclear False Alarm Incident. He also survived a Baader-Meinhof bombing in Germany during the mid-70s.
― Ok bloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 February 2020 09:33 (four years ago) link
If the wall hadn't fallen in '89 chances are I'd still be stuck behind the Iron Curtain right now.
― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Monday, 24 February 2020 09:44 (four years ago) link
itshappening.gif
MSNBC - 2/23/2020Word art by @AnandWrites... pic.twitter.com/eVcSGZJJA6— J̶O̸N̶ (@Bern4Bern) February 23, 2020
― Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 February 2020 10:39 (four years ago) link
I also went in high school as a sophmore, 1986
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 24 February 2020 11:17 (four years ago) link
In Miami the Cold War never ended.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 February 2020 11:20 (four years ago) link
xp sophOmore
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 24 February 2020 11:22 (four years ago) link
bg twitter video there saying a lot
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 24 February 2020 12:54 (four years ago) link
The day the Berlin wall fell is the very first day I remember. I don't remember anything about the news, but it was my last day of daycare and we built a snowman. So that
― Frederik B, Monday, 24 February 2020 13:10 (four years ago) link
Glasnost the Snowman
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 February 2020 13:12 (four years ago) link
wow @ that video
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, 24 February 2020 13:12 (four years ago) link