bg twitter video there saying a lot
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 24 February 2020 12:54 (four years ago) link
The day the Berlin wall fell is the very first day I remember. I don't remember anything about the news, but it was my last day of daycare and we built a snowman. So that
― Frederik B, Monday, 24 February 2020 13:10 (four years ago) link
Glasnost the Snowman
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 February 2020 13:12 (four years ago) link
wow @ that video
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, 24 February 2020 13:12 (four years ago) link
Ottepel the Snowman
FTFY
― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Monday, 24 February 2020 13:13 (four years ago) link
Born in 1975, remember the Cold War, as such, but recall it loosely peaking with "The Day After" and never thought (or was made to think) anything of nuclear annihilation or the like beyond references in music and other movies. I remember the wall coming down and all the coverage, but in my mind it felt inevitable (propaganda worked?). My wife, on the other hand, grew up partly in West Germany and had experience with/in East Germany, Checkpoint Charlie, etc., so had slightly different experiences.
I'm sure Communist/Socialist still works as a demonic derogatory term in some circles and for some audiences, and maybe those terms should for those who experienced, say, the Soviet Union first hand and had to get out. But I suspect for a lot of people they're just vague meaningless derogatory words, like hippie or pothead or poopy-pants. I assume the term "socialist" will nonetheless be successfully weaponized, but I also assume that was going to happen no matter who gets the nomination. "Socialist" can also pretty be easily countered, but I wouldn't bet on the Dems doing that well. They're going to get caught up in the same defensive loop bullshit that kneecapped them last time.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 February 2020 13:35 (four years ago) link
I feel like most of the ppl for whom "socialist / commie" is a demonic derogatory term are already in Trump's main demo anyway (older, more affluent voters, mainly though not exclusively white). The challenge for the Sanders campaign will be fighting the perception that he's too big a risk in a time of a "healthy economic climate"; it's up to him and the campaign to show that those measures don't mean squat for most people.
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, 24 February 2020 13:42 (four years ago) link
i went through my whole childhood hearing my dad call innocuous midwestern university towns havens for 'communists', so, thanks for debasing that one, pops
― j., Monday, 24 February 2020 13:48 (four years ago) link
That video triggered an unironic rendition of 'America, Fuck Yeah!' in my head. Although it's probably more than a little utopian to hope that the broader establishment will follow that one dude's lead re: curiosity and self-reflection.
― Expart of Languidge (Old Lunch), Monday, 24 February 2020 13:50 (four years ago) link
xxpost I don't have anything more than anecdotal data points, but my mom (for example), went hard Democrat post-Trump - she used to consider herself an "independent" - and now she is firmly "blue no matter who." Still, talking to her she does seem to have some misgivings with the term "socialist," which ... yeah, she's borne the brunt of propaganda for *decades,* it takes a bit to get past that, despite being very smart and very educated. She told me she has friends who are anti-Trump but *also* anti-Sanders, threatening to stay home and not vote if he gets the nomination, and she apparently pushed back at them, reminding them that getting rid of Trump remains the top priority. Hopefully she doesn't let them get away with inaction.
I have another friend who is a financial advisor, and she has been telling clients, per the guidance of managers above her, that Sanders *or* Warren getting elected is predicted to knock 30% off the stock market. For what that's worth (literally and figuratively). So, yeah,
The challenge for the Sanders campaign will be fighting the perception that he's too big a risk in a time of a "healthy economic climate"; it's up to him and the campaign to show that those measures don't mean squat for most people.
That Vox piece above did an OK job explaining that Sanders is ultimately just another politician who behaves like normal politicians, but that's a double edged sword. Sanders generates a lot of energy from his occasional bomb throwing rhetoric, so it's a risk to amplify the more mundane aspects of his political record. If he makes himself appear *less* radical, does it cost him support? If he gets the nom, will he attempt at all to mainstream? Does he need to? I have no idea. As always it all comes down to turnout, and that, historically, has been erratic.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 February 2020 14:02 (four years ago) link
So let us imagine President Sanders, whose cheering crowds holler, “Lock them all up!” Let’s imagine an attorney general specifically tasked with prosecuting (not merely investigating) every senior member of the Trump administration. https://t.co/O576o1Ws13— Jennifer Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) February 24, 2020
i'm imagining it
it sounds fuckin' lit tbh
― Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 February 2020 15:43 (four years ago) link
lol @ the responses
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 February 2020 15:46 (four years ago) link
Having ceded executive power and, in effect, erased the impeachment clause, there may be little or no brake on what a Sanders administration might do. And, in one sense, who could blame the left for adopting the playbook the right wrote?I do not know if a Sanders administration would engage in such actions, but if it is as radical as Republicans imagine, they should expect nothing less. Perhaps then it will dawn on them that setting fire to our institutions and eradicating accountability for the president was a fatal error — fatal to democracy and to the rule of law. By then, of course, it will be too late.
I do not know if a Sanders administration would engage in such actions, but if it is as radical as Republicans imagine, they should expect nothing less. Perhaps then it will dawn on them that setting fire to our institutions and eradicating accountability for the president was a fatal error — fatal to democracy and to the rule of law. By then, of course, it will be too late.
https://pics.me.me/hyde-of-this-site-screaminbutcalm-me-sowing-haha-fuck-veah-45288711.png
― Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 February 2020 15:48 (four years ago) link
But how will we ever reconcile as a country! Wither civility!?!
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 February 2020 15:51 (four years ago) link
The current president has been nothing but civil, and see how successfully he unified his base? We need a uniter, not a divider!
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 February 2020 15:52 (four years ago) link
The room is on fire. In one corner is a living child, in the other is a pile of norms. Which do you choose to save?
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 24 February 2020 16:01 (four years ago) link
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/Norm_Peterson_Cheers_Motion_Picture.png
"Nice knowing you ... "
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 February 2020 16:03 (four years ago) link
I like how the punditry acknowledges that the Republicans have destroyed government institutions and trampled on the US Constitution and this has created a horrifyingly dangerous situation for the nation as a whole... from an imaginary Sanders administration!
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 24 February 2020 17:52 (four years ago) link
in effect, erased the impeachment clause just as an side, this is a bad take, and one I hear from liberals a lot as well. The impeachment clause is vague and subjective. Failing to impeach a president does not "erase the impeachment clause." There is no mandatory impeachment in the Constitution.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 24 February 2020 18:10 (four years ago) link
otm
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Monday, 24 February 2020 18:14 (four years ago) link
Jeet Heer's latest is a good companion to the Anand Giridharadas video, framing MSNBC in the Trump era as an "ancien regime resistance" that united centrist liberals and Never Trumpers, and which is now in danger of collapse: https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/msnbc-sanders-freak-out
― jaymc, Monday, 24 February 2020 18:26 (four years ago) link
Bernie winning is basically 9/11pic.twitter.com/picXYeSpTB— Samuel D. Finkelstein II (@CANCEL_SAM) February 24, 2020
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, 24 February 2020 20:36 (four years ago) link
Won't somebody please think of the airline owners?!
― Expart of Languidge (Old Lunch), Monday, 24 February 2020 20:43 (four years ago) link
it really is happening
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 24 February 2020 21:19 (four years ago) link
we really do live in a society after all
Bernie has some interesting views on Castro, but what does he think of other famous despots? We don't know, but here are some guesses:#BernieOnDespots https://t.co/l7isoNAdPd— Team Bloomberg (@Mike2020) February 24, 2020
frikkin YIKES
― gbx, Monday, 24 February 2020 21:51 (four years ago) link
that thread is reallllll embarrassing
mike you’re posting cringe bro
― Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 February 2020 21:55 (four years ago) link
Homophobia AND pointless line breaks, what a thread
― jmm, Monday, 24 February 2020 21:58 (four years ago) link
this is like a single poster joke thread
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 24 February 2020 22:00 (four years ago) link
Okay, I might have to get back on Twitter just to follow that account. It's like watching a livecam of someone vandalizing their asshole CEO's mansion.
― Expart of Languidge (Old Lunch), Monday, 24 February 2020 22:19 (four years ago) link
not endearing himself to the LGBTQ demo lately
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 February 2020 22:20 (four years ago) link
gonna be a crazy week 💛💛 pic.twitter.com/n7hWeSF2Ui— julian powell (@julianmpowell) February 23, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 24 February 2020 22:41 (four years ago) link
Need a We Are The World track with all the Bernie endorsers
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 24 February 2020 22:48 (four years ago) link
The point of that thread isn't to craft a single joke, it's to make sure people hear from their older relatives that Bernie once praised Idi Amin or whatever.
― Chris L, Monday, 24 February 2020 22:50 (four years ago) link
sorry your grandpa lost his slaves miami cubans but people here need some help— raandy (@randygdub) February 24, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 24 February 2020 23:04 (four years ago) link
eh that's a dumb tweet
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 February 2020 23:24 (four years ago) link
when you have people complaining that their grandfather owned an entire town and now his house is a library it's hard to work up tears
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 24 February 2020 23:26 (four years ago) link
xyz's specialty from what I hearxp
― Miami weisse (WmC), Monday, 24 February 2020 23:28 (four years ago) link
when you have people who fled who were the class whom Sanders most want to woo and who played by the United States' goddamn rules in Cuba and died or were imprisoned anyway, I'll give you a hankie.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 February 2020 23:29 (four years ago) link
"Cuba" reduces people on every gradation on the spectrum into fools, hence my avoiding it. All I'll say is that it wasn't merely burghers and oligarchs who left.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 February 2020 23:31 (four years ago) link
There's nothing Sanders could do to woo them in meaningful numbers, so it's not like it matters.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 24 February 2020 23:36 (four years ago) link
idk that’s overly reductive to me.
― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Monday, 24 February 2020 23:41 (four years ago) link
and also idk i would probably listen to alfred on this topic
― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Monday, 24 February 2020 23:42 (four years ago) link
As a voting group Florida Cubans are only slightly less Republican than white evangelicals. In a landslide midterm they voted for Ron DeSantis 2:1 and I don't think it's because Andrew Gillum was sending out fliers praising Che.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 24 February 2020 23:44 (four years ago) link
Ironically, another reason Bernie is probably going to lose Florida is old retired Jews. But, as I previously noted, Hillary also lost Florida and I don't think there's a candidate who could win it but not do worse everywhere else.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 24 February 2020 23:46 (four years ago) link
Florida has voted for a non-incumbent Democrat once in the last 40 years, it should maybe not be a linchpin regardless.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 24 February 2020 23:49 (four years ago) link
Calm down Texas is purple now or something
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Monday, 24 February 2020 23:50 (four years ago) link
President Obama: “I said this to President Castro...you've made great progress in educating young people....Medical care, the life expectancy of Cubans is equivalent to the United States...That's a huge achievement. They should be congratulated."pic.twitter.com/3HTJw2Ek08 https://t.co/XWTneqIFHd— Waleed Shahid (@_waleedshahid) February 24, 2020
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 24 February 2020 23:52 (four years ago) link
dear Booty, if you were a POTUS who didn't suck up to dictators, youd be the first in 120 years
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 01:03 (four years ago) link