xps Not France, could be Spain or Italy. Franceβs population is growing.https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Europe_population_over_65.png/800px-Europe_population_over_65.png
― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 19:22 (four years ago) link
I think it was Italy.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 19:26 (four years ago) link
https://www.npr.org/2016/09/01/492288842/italian-fertility-campaign-to-boost-national-birth-rate-backfires
Making lakes N/A was useful.
― Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Monday, 9 March 2020 19:31 (four years ago) link
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/fredgraph.png?width=880&height=440&id=SPDYNTFRTINITA
― Sanpaku, Monday, 9 March 2020 19:34 (four years ago) link
uuuuuuuuuuuuugh, please don't call it the #trumpcrash, uuuuuuuuuuugh
https://i.imgur.com/n02c8ob.png
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!π (Karl Malone), Monday, 9 March 2020 19:37 (four years ago) link
Doesn't TrumpSlump work better?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 19:40 (four years ago) link
drumpf harrumph
― ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Monday, 9 March 2020 19:42 (four years ago) link
it would, that's true. but the point is to tie it trump (even though the crash of global markets is not directly attributable to trump - it's one of the few times we can ever say that). so if that's the point, crash is worse than slump, more permanent sounding, gotta go for that dogmatic slogan
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!π (Karl Malone), Monday, 9 March 2020 19:44 (four years ago) link
Per that World War Z comment upthread:BBC: Israel to bring in 14-day quarantine for all arrivals
― Sanpaku, Monday, 9 March 2020 19:56 (four years ago) link
On the bright side (sort of) the current mortality rate in France appears to be around 0.02%. Quality of healthcare and ease of access are key factors, unsurprisingly.
― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:03 (four years ago) link
hmm in france i see 1,209 confirmed cases, 19 deaths, which is about 1.5%
johns hopkins tracker
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!π (Karl Malone), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:11 (four years ago) link
19/1209 = 0.0157, which i could see someone rounding up to 0.02 and confusing with 0.02%. but the percentage would be 1.57%
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!π (Karl Malone), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:13 (four years ago) link
pomenitul is cancelled (down)
― strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:13 (four years ago) link
This is why I never do math. Why is it 1.57% instead of 0.0157%?
― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:14 (four years ago) link
Btw it's now 30/1412.
― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:15 (four years ago) link
because 100% = 1
50% is easier to parse than "0.5" I guess
― frogbs, Monday, 9 March 2020 20:15 (four years ago) link
lol yes that makes sense.
― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:16 (four years ago) link
Cancel away.
up to 2.12% now
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― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!π (Karl Malone), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:17 (four years ago) link
shoot, better adjust my dn now. because gosh darn it, i DO give a toot
― Karl Malone, Monday, 9 March 2020 20:18 (four years ago) link
i was hoping pom would double down and we'd get one of these https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=107926751
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:18 (four years ago) link
Wasn't the mortality rate ultimately calculated in South Korea a lot lower than people have been claiming?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 20:19 (four years ago) link
Anyway, the obvious conclusion is that quality of healthcare and ease of access are ultimately irrelevant. I stand with President Trump.
― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:19 (four years ago) link
Reading about the life or death struggle of Italy's Patient 1, a 38 year old who runs marathons, has freaked me out a bit
― strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:19 (four years ago) link
link?
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 9 March 2020 20:26 (four years ago) link
it's not very nice to freak out on your own and leave us hanging
He's fine now:
https://milano.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/03/09/news/coronavirus_il_paziente_1_di_codogno_respira_autonomamente_via_dalla_terapia_intensiva-250766238/
― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:28 (four years ago) link
xp:South Korea has the best health surveillance with a large outbreak: by testing, and testing of known contacts, and free drive through testing of any who may be anxious. They hence are capturing pretty much every mild and assymptomatic case and I trust their statistics more than any other nation with a big outbreak. Their case fatality rate is 0.7%, and I've been watching this inch up for weeks as more critical cases resolve (to recovery or death) and more cases enter the critical category. So 0.7% is a bottom bound for case fatality rate in a country with a modern healthcare system that hasn't been overwhelmed, with South Korea's age demographics.
― Sanpaku, Monday, 9 March 2020 20:29 (four years ago) link
He's out of ICU, basically.
xp
― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:29 (four years ago) link
Gaetz has it!
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:30 (four years ago) link
xp:Should add here, the Shincheonji Church of Jesus at the center of the Korean outbreak has younger demographics than the country as a whole, so this may lower case fatality rate further than might be expected from Korea's age pyramid.
― Sanpaku, Monday, 9 March 2020 20:33 (four years ago) link
xpost Does he have it or was he just tested?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 20:35 (four years ago) link
Anyway, the CPAC patient zero must be a name, right? Because how else did he have personal contact with all these idiots, and how did all these idiots know who it was who might have infected them?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 20:37 (four years ago) link
South Korea appear to have tested 3.8% of their entire population. The US... 6 tests per million.
― Michael Jones, Monday, 9 March 2020 20:38 (four years ago) link
cool country we got here
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:43 (four years ago) link
italy extending restriction zone throughout the country
― mookieproof, Monday, 9 March 2020 20:44 (four years ago) link
yeah, how many billionaires does South Korea have, though? that's where we invest all our national wealth, our billionaires. it's gonna pay off down the road when they create so many jobs
― Karl Malone, Monday, 9 March 2020 20:46 (four years ago) link
Meanwhile, Gaetz was riding with Trump today or yesterday. And now Gaetz is self quarantined, so ...
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 20:47 (four years ago) link
All of Italy to be locked down now.
― ShariVari, Monday, 9 March 2020 20:51 (four years ago) link
People who show "even minor" signs of respiratory tract infections or a fever will soon be told to self-isolate in an effort to tackle the coronavirus outbreak.The UK government's chief medical adviser said the change in advice could happen within the next 10 to 14 days.Five people have now died from coronavirus in the UK.London mayoral candidate Rory Stewart called the government's measures "half-hearted".There were 319 confirmed cases as of 09:00 GMT on Monday, a rise of 46 since the same time on Sunday.People will be asked to self-isolate for seven days after showing mild symptoms under the new approach, the UK government's chief medical adviser Prof Chris Whitty said.
― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:52 (four years ago) link
It would be incredible (albeit belated) cosmic justice if Trump died of coronavirus.
― Biden my time/Drinking her wine (PBKR), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:52 (four years ago) link
Or if we all died and he was the only one that survived, but I prefer the former outcome.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 20:53 (four years ago) link
Eh, he didnβt go blind after staring at the eclipse that time, heβs probably immune to everything.
― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:53 (four years ago) link
from tomorrow morning...worried there will be serious panic-buying (or indeed not actually buying) across Italy in the next few hours
― nashwan, Monday, 9 March 2020 20:54 (four years ago) link
how far out is the UK from an italy type situation
― ||||||||, Monday, 9 March 2020 20:54 (four years ago) link
Surely the priority in Italy from their perspective is to stop it spreading south to the same degree?
― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:56 (four years ago) link
3 days? xp
― strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:56 (four years ago) link
I think at this point there is no "stop it spreading" and most of Europe is Italy minus a week or so.
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:59 (four years ago) link
Yeah, Whitty made the point today that there is no stopping it spreading β and even if we could there would be no point as we would just shift the problem until next winter when it we resurge. The only way out is through, the job is to keep the cases at a level the NHS can cope with. Which also means not starting the lockdown too early, according to their modelling. The 1-2 weeks he talks about feels right compared to Italy.
― stet, Monday, 9 March 2020 21:08 (four years ago) link