love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

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xp the ventilators don’t mean anything if you don’t have the staff trained to use them

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Thursday, 19 March 2020 16:02 (four years ago) link

Sure, there is a lot of underlying stuff that the UK doesn't have.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 19 March 2020 16:04 (four years ago) link

iberia laying off 90% of staff for three months. base rate at 0.1%. IKEA closing all UK stores indefinitely. bit wild out there lads

gday curd nerds (||||||||), Thursday, 19 March 2020 16:04 (four years ago) link

lost count of the number of fb and ig posts by beloved neighbourhoud brunch/coffee/beer spots saying they're closing up and the future is really uncertain. depending on how long this thing goes, we could be lucky if 50% of them re-open : /

gday curd nerds (||||||||), Thursday, 19 March 2020 16:13 (four years ago) link

Hey do you remember during the election campaign when that guy had the temerity to confront Boris Johnson about the state of the NHS and our most prominent political journalist was all "ah what do you expect he's a Labour supporter" handwavey? And when that guy shouted at Matt Hancock outside a hospital and they amplified confected a story about a physical assault?

Is it possible that a) maybe those guys had a point and b) that our most prominent political journalists might have been unable to see the real story that was staring them in the face?

Matt DC, Thursday, 19 March 2020 16:32 (four years ago) link

Obviously the chance of any tiny amount of self-reflection is zero. They got what they were after right?

crisp, Thursday, 19 March 2020 16:35 (four years ago) link

Let's talk other people getting what they want:

More than 70,000 seasonal workers are normally required to harvest the UK’s fruit and vegetables. Domestic supplies are critical for soft fruits with around 90% of the strawberries and 60% of the raspberries we eat grown in the UK.

There is now uncertainty that overseas workers will be able to travel to the UK over the next month to take up those jobs. There is also worry among the existing overseas labour force working on farms in the UK about whether to stay or travel back home.

We urgently need a UK labour force who can help harvest crops to feed the nation. At a time when international travel is restricted and people are panic buying due to the coronavirus, it is crucial that growers can provide enough British produce to our supermarkets and local shops,” said Sarah Boparan, operations director at the farm recruitment company HOPS Labour Solutions.

We are aware that there are many people facing sustained periods away from their usual employment or studies and HOPS can offer paid positions for those who are willing to work.

HOPS has called for interested applicants to find out more and apply online.

The British Summer Fruits association said it would be mounting a large-scale recruitment campaign in the next few days aimed at that part of the UK population left out of work by the coronavirus. It said 98% of harvest staff last year were from outside the UK.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 19 March 2020 16:43 (four years ago) link

looks like it's time to nationalise food or just let it rot in the fields.. the choice is theirs.

calzino, Thursday, 19 March 2020 16:53 (four years ago) link

Kids, the important thing here is that the status quo doesn't die. Everything else is collateral

---------------six feet----------------- (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 March 2020 17:16 (four years ago) link

Hey do you remember during the election campaign when that guy had the temerity to confront Boris Johnson about the state of the NHS and our most prominent political journalist was all "ah what do you expect he's a Labour supporter" handwavey? And when that guy shouted at Matt Hancock outside a hospital and they amplified confected a story about a physical assault?

Is it possible that a) maybe those guys had a point and b) that our most prominent political journalists might have been unable to see the real story that was staring them in the face?

I wish to like and retweet this

perhaps I could print it on a t-shirt and wear it forcibly attach it to someone more persuasively attractive to wear around town. forcible attachment not social distancing-compliant though

a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 19 March 2020 17:38 (four years ago) link

There was also that other guy who presented evidence of the government’s designs against the nhs and was negged by the same lickspittle journalists

felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Thursday, 19 March 2020 18:02 (four years ago) link

He at least was an elected representative, negging and smearing members of the public for pointing out glaring flaws in our creaking public infrastructure is a different thing entirely.

Still, it's not as if thousands of lives are at stake or anything.

Matt DC, Thursday, 19 March 2020 18:10 (four years ago) link

got my COVID-19 operational planning updates from both farrow & ball and screwfix so I'm feeling a lot calmer now

gday curd nerds (||||||||), Thursday, 19 March 2020 18:22 (four years ago) link

windrush report out today. it's a good month to bury bad news.

koogs, Thursday, 19 March 2020 18:28 (four years ago) link

in my local Co-op all the milk, bread and potatoes were wiped out though I managed to get onions, cheap bottle of malbec and long life cream. I heard a macabre convo going on behind me in the queue. Bloke with local council shirt on was loudly boasting how he now has Key Worker status and added : they've moved me from cutting hedges now, they need me to dig some graves.

calzino, Thursday, 19 March 2020 18:44 (four years ago) link

Priti Patel "I'm a bit sorry.."

Mark G, Thursday, 19 March 2020 19:00 (four years ago) link

I was out earlier, the local corner shop was rammed and there was a 'only 2 customers at a time' notice on the Pharmacy. The local Costcutters that no-one ever goes to remains a goldmine, several of those enormous bags of rice in.

And just home from picking up the weekly vegetable bag from Community Farmers, on the way surveyed the absence of stuff in the four local Sainsburys - the shelves is the big ones were at least 50% empty, the smaller were doing better, and the other corner store I dropped by on the way back was pretty much full. I'm not sure whether this state of affairs will continue - the big ones are possibly only getting raided because it's where people go to buy the big shop.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 19 March 2020 19:02 (four years ago) link

For my sins I am watching the zero-audience QT because I finished the dishes but I note that whenever a Tory says the Opposition makes ‘a very powerful point’ that is our signal to (a) know that the square root of fuck all will come of it and (b) DRINK.

santa clause four (suzy), Thursday, 19 March 2020 20:37 (four years ago) link

News night pulling no punches on Bojo’s floppy routine

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 19 March 2020 22:44 (four years ago) link

NEW: the Thursday 19 March update of our coronavirus mortality trajectories tracker

• Italy now has more Covid-19 deaths than China’s total
• UK remains on a steeper mortality curve than Italy, while Britain remains far from lockdown

Live version here: https://t.co/VcSZISFxzF pic.twitter.com/QvByzSj6QX

— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) March 19, 2020

coco vide (pomenitul), Thursday, 19 March 2020 22:50 (four years ago) link

I don't believe China's figures but yes.

Alain the Botton (jed_), Thursday, 19 March 2020 23:38 (four years ago) link

I don't believe the UK figures either - the number of cases is surely way more than is reported.

Matt DC, Friday, 20 March 2020 07:59 (four years ago) link

Anecdotally, it seems likely that there is at least a 24-48 hour lag in a lot of the confirmed cases being reported. The lack of testing also contributes to low official numbers overall. Whether that’s also true of the death statistics, idk.

ShariVari, Friday, 20 March 2020 08:16 (four years ago) link

Whitehall sources say most shops could close and transport could be restricted to key workers in London by the weekend under plans being considered in Government

— Sky News Breaking (@SkyNewsBreak) March 18, 2020

The strategy of leaking stuff like this to the press as a trial balloon remains completely abhorrent.

ShariVari, Friday, 20 March 2020 08:19 (four years ago) link

yeah it really is awful. that combined with the drip drip of support measures, rather than a macron “no business big or small will be allowed to go under” to allow them to continue to pay staff regardless, as well as immediate payment measures for the gig economy and people who have already been laid off, produces horribly fluid uncertainty.

Fizzles, Friday, 20 March 2020 08:23 (four years ago) link

All it does is create panic and confusion.

One of the many things that makes Johnson an almost uniquely poorly suited PM to this current moment is that he can't resist using colourful language that sticks in people's minds and is going to still be there in three weeks' time. How is 'send the virus packing' going to look when the death toll spikes, or if this isn't under control by the middle of the summer?

Matt DC, Friday, 20 March 2020 08:26 (four years ago) link

The alternative is that this isn't a strategy at all and they just haven't got their shit even remotely together and are neither competent nor experienced enough to do so.

Matt DC, Friday, 20 March 2020 08:29 (four years ago) link

I don't know what message '70+ people to be cocooned', 'pubs to be shut', 'London to be locked down' etc, etc and then not following through with any of it, sends other than 'we've looked at the risks and decided that it's not as serious as it would need to be to take those measures so go about your business'.

ShariVari, Friday, 20 March 2020 08:31 (four years ago) link

Seems to me that the constant drip drip and then walking back is pushing people out panic buying, leaving London to go to their families before it’s locked down and into pubs before they close.

some of you are enjoying this (gyac), Friday, 20 March 2020 08:33 (four years ago) link

That’s what happened in Italy, right - it leaked that a lockdown of the north was coming and a bunch of infected people decided to get out? Leaking this stuff deliberately is just guaranteeing that happens here.

felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Friday, 20 March 2020 08:41 (four years ago) link

pretty much all my work colleagues have now left london and when they ask where I am they look a little bit uncomfortable with my reply

plax (ico), Friday, 20 March 2020 08:43 (four years ago) link

no longer feeling so smug about moving to zone 1

plax (ico), Friday, 20 March 2020 08:51 (four years ago) link

Every time I read about the number of young people still going to pubs I think 'this is proof the Tories are going to continue winning elections forever'.

Matt DC, Friday, 20 March 2020 08:53 (four years ago) link

yeah it really is awful. that combined with the drip drip of support measures, rather than a macron “no business big or small will be allowed to go under” to allow them to continue to pay staff regardless, as well as immediate payment measures for the gig economy and people who have already been laid off, produces horribly fluid uncertainty.

― Fizzles, Friday, March 20, 2020 9:23 AM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Fizzles otm. I don't get why the UK gov hasn't come out guns blazing. Macron, and over here the Dutch, have done that. No business will go under, they've basically written a blank cheque for business (not a dumb cheque like US that says "here's $1000 now fuck off and g/l with yr medical bills") to be able to let people keep their job and income. My business will see three people sent away on leave for half of their hours, but 90% of those hours will be covered by the government. Employer gets reimbursed, can pay the normal salary to the people sitting at home weathering this storm: profit.

Uk seems to have a special blend of half-assed financial measures and vague mixed signals about what measures are to be taken health-wise.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 20 March 2020 09:02 (four years ago) link

It means those economies are going to rebound much more quickly later on. When you consider lost corporation tax, spiralling unemployment benefits and the wider hit to the economy, keeping businesses going must be basically free for the government.

Matt DC, Friday, 20 March 2020 09:06 (four years ago) link

Every time I read about the number of young people still going to pubs I think 'this is proof the Tories are going to continue winning elections forever'.

― Matt DC, Friday, 20 March 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Reading this hilarious argument of someone on left twitter last night convincing himself that Johnson's assurances were good enough so he could go for a drink. Thankfully this was shouted down quickly but the guy really wanted a drink.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 20 March 2020 09:16 (four years ago) link

Exactly If you're a bartender, or supplier of meat to restaurants or pubs, you obv have zero business. You need the gov to compensate your income to see this out. Plus side is you won't have to pay for unemployment afterwards, and things can go "back to normal" a bit more easily when this is done. I fucking hate saying it but our rightwing government got this right. It's put three of my colleagues hearts and minds really at ease, taking away the fear of no income etc. xp

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 20 March 2020 09:17 (four years ago) link

UK governments in unable to see beyond the end of their noses shocker.

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Friday, 20 March 2020 09:17 (four years ago) link

Austerity is going to look like the Scando welfare state when these cunts decide to start clawing the money back

Really wanting a drink is a powerful imperative tbf

Richard Hegley (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 March 2020 09:17 (four years ago) link

My 24-yr-old has been paying National Insurance for two years. After losing job due to corona, inquired about Jobseekers’ Allowance. But can’t claim because needs to have been paying NI longer.
What happens to kids without homes & supportive parents?

— Allison Pearson (@allisonpearson) March 19, 2020

why it's almost like this thin veneer of a welfare state that us lefties have been bleating about for the last decade isn't actually a made up phenomena (like that photo of the kid on the floor of a hospital corridor).

calzino, Friday, 20 March 2020 09:32 (four years ago) link

At a guess, i'd imagine the government thinks the French plans might be sustainable for a few months but the policy of letting this play out, rather than trying to control it, means that anything they put in place needs to be viable for nine months to a year, idk.

ShariVari, Friday, 20 March 2020 09:40 (four years ago) link

Nice self-own from supportive mum of the year AP

nashwan, Friday, 20 March 2020 09:44 (four years ago) link

My heart goes out to the Pearson family at this difficult time. In my prayers.

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Friday, 20 March 2020 09:47 (four years ago) link

NV - some talk of loans from what I've seen. But that's poll tax riots territory. Same for rents. Under a lockdown a person can't be thrown out due to non-payment.

Our numbers of cases/deaths are almost matching Italy's 12 days ago -- literally only a few digits in it. It's also remarkably complacent. From both Tories and most of the opposition.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 20 March 2020 09:48 (four years ago) link

Still somehow hopeful that the sheer blinding necessity of just unequivocally guaranteeing incomes will make it happen very soon but can't help but see their fear of this as the reason for the lack of decisively shutting everything non-essential down.

I've got my bidet and my pills (Noel Emits), Friday, 20 March 2020 09:56 (four years ago) link

bread's all been panic-bought, circuses closed down by the so-called politically correct brigade

I can't pay no doctor bill, but Whitey's on the McAloon (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 March 2020 09:58 (four years ago) link

Aviemore Coylumbridge Hotel sent this letter to staff today. Not just fired but chucked out of their accommodation with no notice and no redundancy pay! @BritanniaLtd Britannia Hotels should be ashamed of themselves. Certainly no "room at the inn" here, disgusting. pic.twitter.com/p6ZB2IYfoK

— John G. Burns (@ScaryHighlander) March 19, 2020

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 20 March 2020 09:59 (four years ago) link

LAURA K: Prime Minister, in the wake of a million deaths, food riots, and cars burning in the streets, could you still say that people were right to vote Conservative?

BORIS JOHNSON (Surrounded by riot police): Yes I would, Laura! Attempts to salute and falls over Cripes!

ASSORTED PRESS PACK: Thank God for the Prime Minister keeping us all jolly in such dark times!

PESTON: Viewers trying to obtain paracetamol scrapings from the ruins of Truro may ask could the Prime Minister have done anything more? But in my opinion, we have the right man for the job.

some of you are enjoying this (gyac), Friday, 20 March 2020 10:00 (four years ago) link

i'm looking forward to next year when bog roll hoarders get their heads forcibly shaved in public

I can't pay no doctor bill, but Whitey's on the McAloon (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 March 2020 10:00 (four years ago) link

Yeah this crisis is really bringing out the capital punishment enthusiast in me

some of you are enjoying this (gyac), Friday, 20 March 2020 10:01 (four years ago) link


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