love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

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If nothing else DMil has given the lie there to any claim he might wanna make about being concerned for the party

Kier today, Dom tomorrow (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 4 April 2020 20:40 (four years ago) link

The largest group in those Brockwell Park pictures is maybe three people and for all we know they all live in the same house. Absolutely nothing like it would normally be on a day like today.


absolutely the main vibe i got. and if nashwan wants to sit in the park for a bit ten metres away from anyone else, who cares? the main congestion was on the paths not on the grass and it was easy for me to stay distances from people even during the middle of the day.

now people will be forced to take their exercise on the street pavements, meaning far less possibility of keeping distance.

Fizzles, Saturday, 4 April 2020 21:13 (four years ago) link

Baldrick dismissing the Corbyn era as a "moral disgrace" is just so fucking pathetic and hateful. Let's do a Top Trumps of the moral disgraces of the "unelectable" Miliband Labour vs Corbyn Labour. The former was a fucking moral disgrace alright, even he Ed himself admitted later they went way too far to the right.

calzino, Saturday, 4 April 2020 21:28 (four years ago) link

The rhetoric is insane

Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 4 April 2020 21:39 (four years ago) link

still, got the queen carking it to look forward to at least

suggesteban buttez (||||||||), Saturday, 4 April 2020 21:41 (four years ago) link

my telly isn't plumbed in rn (don't ask) so I'm more relaxed/excited than most, at that prospect

suggesteban buttez (||||||||), Saturday, 4 April 2020 21:42 (four years ago) link

I also don't see wtf Starmer provides if we're looking for charisma and a snappy, on-the-ball incisive persona

Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 4 April 2020 21:47 (four years ago) link

As in, I can see that Corbyn didn't score a perfect ten for that but ... what's the new guy going to offer?

Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 4 April 2020 21:49 (four years ago) link

exude competence and authority

he may've picked the wrong decade for that

Kier today, Dom tomorrow (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 4 April 2020 22:01 (four years ago) link

Talking of exuding competence and authority, the leader Labour could have had has surfaced in Renfrewshire of all places:

https://www.renfrewshire24.co.uk/2020/04/04/video-mr-blobby-spotted-out-for-exercise-in-kilbarchan/

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Saturday, 4 April 2020 22:15 (four years ago) link

Any amount of money says that his mate Noel is refusing to social distance while also blaming 5G for coronavirus.

Matt DC, Saturday, 4 April 2020 22:21 (four years ago) link

Funnily enough I was wondering the other day why that clown hadn't been sharing his opinions about the rona with the world

Kier today, Dom tomorrow (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 4 April 2020 23:17 (four years ago) link

It's amazing today how little attention has been paid to Keir Starmer. Nobody I know posted anything about it on any social media, and it's the sixth item on the bbc news website. There isn't any big new coronavirus news today even, it's just nobody cares.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 4 April 2020 23:29 (four years ago) link

Re: Brockwell and Peckham. The campaign to blame people for their deaths is ramping up. Splitting people against the real culprits and it just might work.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 5 April 2020 08:32 (four years ago) link

> it's the sixth item on the bbc news website.

When I looked earlier the article at number 4 in the list was 'how to build an igloo'

koogs, Sunday, 5 April 2020 08:39 (four years ago) link

I am 100% going to go and sit in the sun for as long as I can

Microbes oft teem (wins), Sunday, 5 April 2020 09:00 (four years ago) link

matt hancock can fuck right off if he thinks he can make it illegal to stop me taking a walk when i have yet to come 5 metres within anyone else whilst doing so this past fortnight

oscar bravo, Sunday, 5 April 2020 10:23 (four years ago) link

Well done Keir, it's taken less than 24 hours to prove you are utterly fucking pathetic. https://t.co/pqYQw3SQRA

— Joe Kennedy (@joekennedy81) April 5, 2020

great we've got two tory parties now, Starmer is literally a fucking tory.

calzino, Sunday, 5 April 2020 10:34 (four years ago) link

only way the pigs will stop me going out is by either putting me in a cell or breaking my legs!

calzino, Sunday, 5 April 2020 10:36 (four years ago) link

fucking hell a pure fucking cop wanker as LOTO, who could have seen this coming? :p

calzino, Sunday, 5 April 2020 10:37 (four years ago) link

There was an otherwise predictable puff piece in the Guardian yesterday that had this one line in it about him picking up two aides and going straight to the office like that was a perfectly normal and acceptable thing to be doing right now.

Matt DC, Sunday, 5 April 2020 11:00 (four years ago) link

parks and open spaces should be considered key elements of a successful lockdown in densely populated urban areas, as long as social distancing is practised.

calzino, Sunday, 5 April 2020 11:08 (four years ago) link

you'd need police to act with judgement and discretion so there's your problem

Kier today, Dom tomorrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 April 2020 11:21 (four years ago) link

that sky video of a police bothering an old man sitting on a bench who said he was resting because of his sciatica and she said “i’d be able to see if you were in pain” and sky sticking their cameras in the face of a woman out for a walk with loads of space around her saying “HAVE YOU HEARD OF SOCIAL DISTANCING?” and she’s like yes i am out for my walk. ffs.

like i can see messaging like this can be difficult and a *perception* of people not bothering to obey *rules* can create an actuality of “why should i bother” but clearly very nearly everybody *is* obeying the rules.

lambeth saying “we’ve had to close brockwell park because of a minority of people”. yes that’s the point. it’s a minority of people. that’s good. you only change it if it’s the majority of people.

Fizzles, Sunday, 5 April 2020 11:23 (four years ago) link

There are 48,000 acres of golf courses within London and the Metropolitan Green Belt (shown in red on map below)

Why not open them up to public for exercise, as @RosamundUrwin suggests? https://t.co/V2ioJj85yv

Easier to maintain social distancing if existing parks less crowded. pic.twitter.com/cOb1baLAXQ

— Guy Shrubsole (@guyshrubsole) April 5, 2020

ymo sumac (NickB), Sunday, 5 April 2020 11:24 (four years ago) link

We had two community warden vans and a police car up the wee country lane behind my house yesterday. Apparently someone spotted two lads with a football and a bag of beer walking past and called in the swat team.

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Sunday, 5 April 2020 11:27 (four years ago) link

when I was out earlier on a dirt road (where the only traffic is usually cows being herded by farmer's 10 year old kid in tractor) and the copper chopper was menacingly hovering about, probably passing on recon to the heavy "frying squad" boys who'll be smashing some BBQs later.

calzino, Sunday, 5 April 2020 11:32 (four years ago) link

BRITAIN

Kier today, Dom tomorrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 April 2020 11:36 (four years ago) link

I’m basically fine with public spaces being shut if there is a strong justification for doing so - Italy, Spain and China have all done it, but the U.K. position of avoiding an unpopular decision, prevaricating for a few weeks and then blaming the public for forcing them to make it is vmic.

ShariVari, Sunday, 5 April 2020 11:39 (four years ago) link

I'd be a hypocrite to support anything like this because I pass through my own park a couple of times a day, but even at the height of summer you won't see more than 20 people in there at the same time. My fave part of the lockdown is no more fucking idiots rarsing quad/motorbikes about there in a reckless and quite uncaring about dogs and people fashion and cutting up all the grass. Earlier I saw this young lad flying down a main road on his mountain bike, doing it in showoff nonchalant none-handed style, no crash helmet on but he was wearing a face mask.

calzino, Sunday, 5 April 2020 11:50 (four years ago) link

In a week where we've failed on tests and doubled daily fatalities and failed to produce or procure PPE and ventilators it's notable that the media focus is strongly on the public going for walks.

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Sunday, 5 April 2020 11:51 (four years ago) link

https://i.ibb.co/7XF9sQ0/FA6-F214-C-0034-4-D7-C-9-F42-BCEAE7-C1-A7-A8.jpg

It is a blame-the-public play like others have said. But there might be something in it all the same.

stet, Sunday, 5 April 2020 11:56 (four years ago) link

that and footballers pay. maybe one day we'll be talking about the likes of amazon paying their taxes, but don't hold your breath xp

ymo sumac (NickB), Sunday, 5 April 2020 11:57 (four years ago) link

Not a huge mystery why people are going to parks more in the countries where parks haven’t been closed, tbf.

ShariVari, Sunday, 5 April 2020 11:58 (four years ago) link

what is the y axis stet?

ymo sumac (NickB), Sunday, 5 April 2020 11:59 (four years ago) link

Portugal's a week ahead of us in terms of social distancing and all my friends, especially those who live alone, are going totally stir-crazy and some have even started visiting friends on the sly (bad, I know). I feel like closing down parks will lead to more flaunting the rules, not less.

Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 5 April 2020 12:02 (four years ago) link

0 is the “baseline level” but it’s not described further. It’s using the Google Mobility data, which is what powers that thing on Google Maps that shows whether places/roads/etc are busier or quieter than usual.

stet, Sunday, 5 April 2020 12:02 (four years ago) link

Just to be clear I think closing parks is bullshit unless people are really dramatically flouting the rules inside them. London is too dense to sustain a summer lockdown without them, I think.

stet, Sunday, 5 April 2020 12:04 (four years ago) link

🖼

It is a blame-the-public play like others have said. But there might be something in it all the same.


i guess people are still more likely to be using parks for their daily exercise?

Fizzles, Sunday, 5 April 2020 12:08 (four years ago) link

an ever-increasing rigidity seems to create more problems than it solves, to me. there has to be a level of controlled flexibility that recognises that people need to get outside sometimes, and i don't think the UK gov and police have handled it at all well at the moment.

Kier today, Dom tomorrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 April 2020 12:09 (four years ago) link

as i understand the facts of transmission people are still at far more risk from going to bullshit jobs that shouldn't be happening, travelling on public transport to get to those bullshit jobs, and visiting supermarkets which everybody is compelled to do, rather than sitting in a park several feet apart from anybody else.

Kier today, Dom tomorrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 April 2020 12:11 (four years ago) link

I think I get the chart but I can't stop seeing "-40" in both directions.

rí an techno (seandalai), Sunday, 5 April 2020 12:12 (four years ago) link

and if you take away all the carrots that normally help people deal with the grind of their existence then you'll need more than blitz spirit to keep a lid on that.

not justifying individuals' (a)moral choices but this whole situation needs to be managed by finer minds than politicians and cops

Kier today, Dom tomorrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 April 2020 12:13 (four years ago) link

idk if it creates more problems necessarily - but the more rigid you are in the rules, the more you need to be committed to ruthlessly policing them. A halfway house where the public and the police are both expected to use their own judgement just leads to the latter making up the law as it goes along and arbitrarily deciding who to enforce it against.

ShariVari, Sunday, 5 April 2020 12:14 (four years ago) link

it creates problems because given the logistics of staffing it's unpoliceable? and the harder they try and whackamole people into their houses the more pushback there's likely to be

Kier today, Dom tomorrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 April 2020 12:16 (four years ago) link

The notion that all those people miles apart from each other in the park are taking an unacceptable risk but if they were doing fucking Pilates it would be fine is an absurd one and shouldn’t be given the time of day

Microbes oft teem (wins), Sunday, 5 April 2020 12:17 (four years ago) link

My idea for the day is that ice cream vans should drive round the houses selling bread and milk and stuff like that, kind of surprised they're not doing it already tbh

ymo sumac (NickB), Sunday, 5 April 2020 12:19 (four years ago) link

they used to if you lived on the right estate

Kier today, Dom tomorrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 April 2020 12:21 (four years ago) link

... and heroin, like the good old days.

travelling on public transport to get to those bullshit jobs

You'd think the fact that five London bus drivers have just died might ring a bell or two but...

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Sunday, 5 April 2020 12:21 (four years ago) link

then there was the "toffee apple van" that used to go round Great Thornton Street which was a kid lying in the back of an estate car and pretty fucking blatantly selling zero toffee apples and loads of gear

Kier today, Dom tomorrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 April 2020 12:22 (four years ago) link


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