but now look
malediction isnt synonymous with criticism
nor threat
certainly it isnt the same thing at all as ad hom
it doesnt necessarily equate to an all-day fever of rage and obsession
mordy a mhic a stór if you think biting a quick curse against someone somehow negatively affects a person's psychological health jaysus id read a post arguing that
lads i know yeve been taught that wishing ill of another isnt nice
but apart from that what is the harm
i return to post #2
i wish ill and death on ppl all the time
its a good vent, i think its a healthy discharge
also it doesnt work yknow (quit being superstitious)
also karma isnt real (quit being superstitious)
anyway even if it did work, bad things happening bad ppl is a good thing
― ole uncle tiktok
now, if *you* feel *you* take harm from inhabiting the mental space *you* require to fling out a few fuck-ye's that's grand but i think that's a big difference to making a case against the act itself
― ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:18 (four years ago) link
is there any harm in doing it if you are alone in a room
if you wish death on someone in a forest and nobody hears, kind of thing
― ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:19 (four years ago) link
i'm not saying it necessarily negatively affects a person's psychological health i'm just skeptical of this take that it's a bit of nothing something you casually toss off and not itself the product of a fevered investment in the topic
― Mordy, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:19 (four years ago) link
im curious to know where the interface of harm is here, basically
xp that's contingent on the person maledicting and therefore projection
― ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:20 (four years ago) link
just a little casual malediction no biggie
― Mordy, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:20 (four years ago) link
I cant say for sure but I never trust even allowing myself tiny hates (I regret pretty much every display of hate I've allowed myself). I think everything has some consequence. Even if it's just about thinking clearly, constructively and tactically.
Rushomancy - Just to make it doubly clear, I was never talking about you or accusing you of anything. Been enjoying your posts.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:27 (four years ago) link
Sometimes I think some of the UK ilxors seem crazy for their celebrity hates, but I humbly bow to your foresight with regard to Robert Webb.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:34 (four years ago) link
also not to be obvious but the logic never really made sense to me of wishing death on someone for the crime of putting a low value on the lives of their fellow humans
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 21:41 (four years ago) link
i'm not saying it necessarily negatively affects a person's psychological health― Mordy
― Mordy
I definitely am saying exactly this. I don't even know why a conversation needs to be had. "Wishing ill upon others, those who cause ill in the world. Good or bad?" Obv it's bad, I can't believe we need to discuss why it's bad. It's bad as a private therapeutic exercise because it trains your brain to respond to irl problems with maledictory fantasy instead of resolving conflict. It's bad in closed environments because it creates social cliques. It's bad in public forums because it only galvanizes the target in their defensive position instead of being in a position to hear/change/grow etc. It strengthens the resolve of "those who cause ill in the world", it throws progressive movements into infighting and chaos.
This isn't to say that I'm above it or anything-- as I said, I'm extremely looking forward to seeing every one of Trump's children and grandchildren strung up by their feet from a scaffold and have their throats slit while the president is forced to watch-- but I'm not gonna pretend this fantasy has any moral or ethical basis or serves any productive purpose
― we have no stan but to choice (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 22:01 (four years ago) link
fgti OTM.
I think we have this deep-seated sense of justice that is very much eye-for-an-eye: those who cause suffering deserve to suffer, themselves. This is intuitive and when we don't see it play out, our sense of justice is violated, so we fantasize. But our intuitive concept of justice is flawed. The "balance sheet" model of suffering often can't zero out. If someone is murdered, and the state (or John Wick) executes the murderer, this obviously doesn't restore the victim's life, fill the social void they left, or heal the grief of their loved ones. They've really just increased the total suffering in the world.
OTOH, if you steal a package from my stoop, it's very hard for me not to wish that it be stolen from you in turn. It doesn't even have to come back to me for my sense of justice to be satisfied. But of course, this doesn't really solve anything again, unless you learn something from the experience. Which, if you're already in the package-thieving business is not likely to happen. My futile wish is usually for the bad to learn a moral lesson.
― may the force leave us alone (zchyrs), Friday, 10 April 2020 14:01 (four years ago) link
yes but again you're jumping there to the wish *working*
which is a hell of a jump
― steer calmer (darraghmac), Friday, 17 April 2020 14:17 (four years ago) link
I never said it would work, I said it was futile
― may the force leave us alone (zchyrs), Monday, 20 April 2020 12:31 (four years ago) link
theres an entire post before that last line
― steer calmer (darraghmac), Monday, 20 April 2020 22:53 (four years ago) link
i stand by it
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 November 2023 09:00 (six months ago) link
Wow I really "told all" in this thread huh
― meaner stinks meat bake it cone (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 23 November 2023 09:15 (six months ago) link
you were as always impeccable imo
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 November 2023 09:21 (six months ago) link
but WRONG!
Gonna leave you something in my will
My ill will
― meaner stinks meat bake it cone (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 23 November 2023 10:20 (six months ago) link
i bumped the other thread especially
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 November 2023 11:31 (six months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM9gprgz-DE
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 23 November 2023 17:31 (six months ago) link