Are we living in a simulation?

Also seven being lucky could just be the simulation creating some retcon justification

Have you looked up the legend of "Seven and the Ragged Tiger?"

7 days in a week 7 years in the jubilee

Average pack size is six wolves. A pack usually consists of an alpha male, alpha female, current offspring, and a few yearlings. There also may be a few adult subordinate wolves in the pack. Wolves will usually stay with the pack until 2-3 years of age.

New hypothesis argues the universe simulates itself into existence

A physics paper proposes neither you nor the world around you are real.

A new hypothesis says the universe self-simulates itself in a "strange loop". A paper from the Quantum Gravity Research institute proposes there is an underlying panconsciousness. The work looks to unify insight from quantum mechanics with a non-materialistic perspective.

https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/new-hypothesis-argues-the-universe-simulates-itself-into-existence

spelled "stimulate" wrong

glad we worked this out

The scientists link their hypothesis to panpsychism, which sees everything as thought or consciousness. The authors think that their "panpsychic self-simulation model" can even explain the origin of an overarching panconsciousness at the foundational level of the simulations, which "self-actualizes itself in a strange loop via self-simulation." This panconsciousness also has free will and its various nested levels essentially have the ability to select what code to actualize, while making syntax choices. The goal of this consciousness? To generate meaning or information.

Let's see how much trendy bullshit we can cram into one paragraph.

A new "hypothesis"! Nobel prizes all round! This is almost certainly next-level woo but I'm tempted to go down the rabbit hole if only for the lols.

We have not used the term “God” in place of panconsciousness in this document because that is an ambiguous and confusing term. It has many meanings. Two of the most general meanings associated with that word are ideas anathema to this thesis. The first is that God is infinite. This is not the case in the SSH model. Our panpsychic substrate evolves. The second is the popular idea in many religions that God creates everything. Our panpsychic self-simulation is everything and is collectively created by everything within it. It is unitary and interdependent, where the panconsciousness cannot exist without evolving through us and everything else that can make decisions.

Is the universe a simulation or is human consciousness a simulation? Discuss.

Looked up Klee Irwin and apparently quantum physicist is his second career.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OppvPEM0wEQ

Let's see how much trendy bullshit we can cram into one paragraph.

― jmm, Tuesday, December 15, 2020 4:10 PM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

^^ this sounds like someone who's simulated would say tbf

i wish i was able to grow a pencil moustache, they say so much

It's easy to simulate

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BH6JKA/teenage-girl-with-a-pencil-between-her-upper-lip-and-nose-BH6JKA.jpg

'Strange Loops' are Hofstadter's thing, iirc.

The goal of this consciousness? To generate meaning or information.

Least plausible element.

alamy stock is the new snorg girl

The concept of a simulation requires that some reality exists apart from the simulation for it to be similar to, otherwise there is nothing to simulate.

this is not really propopsing a "simulation" per se, they're just using that idea as a jumping off point

If I can't even tell that I'm in a simulation, the fuck do I care if robots use me as AAs in their Walkman?

why do physicists always think they’re uniquely equipped to solve reality once and for all

haven’t read the paper so the article may be selling it short but it makes it sound like a mashup of ideas (some I like more than others) that have been buzzing around for a while in whatever you call that weird interdisciplinary zone where they talk about emergence a lot. the simulation angle seems tacked on like a hashtag to get it trending

worth revisiting:

Looked up Klee Irwin and apparently quantum physicist is his second career.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OppvPEM0wEQ

that weird interdisciplinary zone where they talk about emergence a lot.

Ding ding ding

https://quantumgravityresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/logo-ret-4-13-17.gif

Dr. Franklin Pangborn, Physicist

The concept of a simulation requires that some reality exists apart from the simulation for it to be similar to, otherwise there is nothing to simulate.

Was just about to say. 'Everything is a simulation' is virtually indistinguishable from 'everything is real'.

this is *not* a simulation theory

it's the new generation of Oldsmobile

The concept of a simulation requires that some reality exists apart from the simulation for it to be similar to, otherwise there is nothing to simulate.

― Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:22 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i agree with this part “ The concept of a simulation requires that some reality exists apart from the simulation“ but not what follows. simulation does not mean “make something similar to” and a simulation doesn’t require a similar counterpart in reality

i cut my finger while peeling carrots yesterday. if this is a simulation, it's quite a painful and gross one and i want a word with the mods.

Wikipedia has settled on this definition: "A simulation is an approximate imitation of the operation of a process or system that represents its operation over time."

As I'd define a simulation, it is an extension in time of the concept of a simulacrum. While it is possible to create a simulacrum of something that does not exist directly in reality, such as a pink elephant, or a Death Star, I'd be surprised to discover any simulation whose components are not wholly modeled upon or derived from some aspect of reality, if you include mathematics as an aspect of reality. I won't rule out being surprised, though. It has happened often enough before.

there are multiple definitions of simulation, but that one is not the one that people have in mind when they say ‘we are living in a simulation’. all it means is “fake data generated in a computer.” no similarity to any existing part of reality is necessary. an artist or mathematician could simulate completely abstract systems with no representation in mind. for example it’s obvious that we could simulate the game The Sims with a crazy species of aliens from our imagination instead of humans. in analogy, our experiences might be simulated by some other super smart species who have better computers than us. they don’t even have to have imagined us too vividly, they just need a good model and then they feed it some initial conditions and let it rip. it happens that most existing simulations do have a real counterpart, but thats just historical circumstance. engineers simulate air planes flying because it’s cheaper and safer than testing real planes and crashing a bunch of them in the process

I have no idea

i agree it’s an unfortunate development in the etymology of the word though

I thought the timing of the Good Place being right at a point when a number of things were obviously going in completely the wrong direction was oddly fitting.

Might just be an indication that life was following a similar pattern.

That was an interesting take on a simulation of a different set up.
I thought the usual take was about brains in vats which normally tied in with a famous thought experiment we studied in Philosophy but I'm going blank on who the philosopher writing it was.
Like would you know if things were real or if you were being fed false information passing itself off as a form of reality.
So if everything was false and you still did stupid things like stubbing your toes and knocking fragile objects flying and forgetting things how would you tell? & if you were a Buddhist and everything is false anyway would you mind.

i feel that if this were a simulation then that guy that plays maverick in those movies, you know about whom i'm talking, given that his unnamed and therefore unactionable affiliated religious organization's super-duper powers center is trying way hard to prove a point, that guy would have developed the ability to fly like neo and bend the artificial construct that we think of as time and space, and he'd already be telling us all about it. that ain't happened. also i believe keanu reeves of all of us would actually innately have this predisposition to superpowers if such actually existed, but keanu being keanu, he'd think it immodest to show off thusly and so we'll never know. keanu can probably fly irl, but he's just as happy taking a bus, because someone on that bus might need his help like in that one movie where he takes that bus.

idk where i'm going with this but it's more that likely about how we're blessed to live in the era of keanu than about simulation theory.

cyberpunk2077 players are blessed and cursed to live in both

who the fuck runs the simulation then?

What is their purpose of existence?

It's run by turtles. Who learned to program. Their purpose is to move fast (fast for turtles, that is) and break things.

why they making me work this shit job, fucking turtle shit heads

Did you miss the "break things" part?

oh yeah, sorry

It's run by turtles. Who learned to program. Their purpose is to move fast (fast for turtles, that is) and break things.

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i feel that if this were a simulation then that guy that plays maverick in those movies, you know about whom i'm talking, given that his unnamed and therefore unactionable affiliated religious organization's super-duper powers center is trying way hard to prove a point, that guy would have developed the ability to fly like neo and bend the artificial construct that we think of as time and space, and he'd already be telling us all about it. that ain't happened. also i believe keanu reeves of all of us would actually innately have this predisposition to superpowers if such actually existed, but keanu being keanu, he'd think it immodest to show off thusly and so we'll never know. keanu can probably fly irl, but he's just as happy taking a bus, because someone on that bus might need his help like in that one movie where he takes that bus.

idk where i'm going with this but it's more that likely about how we're blessed to live in the era of keanu than about simulation theory.

― slugbuggy

i have good news slugbuggy there is a way to develop the ability to fly like neo

it's called estrogen

(if people are going to call me a social contagion i'm going to fucking _earn_ the title)