(and, of course, there's no evidence that Pelosi or Schumer have any interest in passing anything good)
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 11 April 2020 19:01 (four years ago) link
How would you describe the items on Joe Biden's agenda?
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 11 April 2020 19:04 (four years ago) link
The same way Joe has described himself - a 'third way' Democrat, a neoliberal.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 11 April 2020 19:11 (four years ago) link
That's an ideology. I know he has an ideology. What about the items on his agenda?
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 11 April 2020 19:12 (four years ago) link
Foreign policy hawkishness, financial deregulation, drug warrior, crime bill, welfare reform - the agenda he's had for fifty years in politics - the expression of that ideology you agree he has.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 11 April 2020 19:15 (four years ago) link
Even if we accept the fiction that Biden is a political tabula rasa, the defense that he can be a Presidential non-entity just signing whatever is politically ridiculous on its face. The President is required to set and promote an agenda.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 11 April 2020 19:17 (four years ago) link
i'll readily admit that if i lived in a blue state where Democrats have entrenched power i'd most likely be a lot more frustrated with Dems, but my state is under the boot of the GOP so they are the target of my ire
― crüt, Saturday, April 11, 2020
Florida here, blowing kisses at you.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 April 2020 19:24 (four years ago) link
Thanks for clarifying, milo. It's easier now for me to more fully interpret the thinking behind what you were saying.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 11 April 2020 19:35 (four years ago) link
The idea that we treat health care as an employee benefit is totally absurd.As millions are losing their jobs, my bill with @RepJayapal says: We will take a burden off your shoulders. In this crisis, you will get all the health care you need for free. https://t.co/jTmzx60DLm— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) April 11, 2020
― k3vin k., Saturday, 11 April 2020 21:49 (four years ago) link
We are not endorsing @JoeBiden.— DSA 🌹 (@DemSocialists) April 12, 2020
excellent responses here
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 12 April 2020 23:32 (four years ago) link
Good on them.
This is just terrible, can't wait to re-open America and kill more people.
As we prepare to reopen America, we have to remember what this crisis has taught us: The administration’s failure to plan, to prepare, to honestly assess and communicate the threat to the nation led to catastrophic results. We cannot repeat those mistakes. https://t.co/SkfH3U792L— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) April 12, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 April 2020 10:02 (four years ago) link
Where does Biden (or, rather, his ghost writers) mention when the United States will reopen? It's a harmless article with the usual platitudes, like:
If I were president, I would convene top experts from the private sector, industry by industry, to come up with new ideas on how to operate more safely. Perhaps offices and factories will need to space out workers and pursue other solutions to lessen risk of spread of the virus on the job. Restaurants may need new layouts, with diners farther apart.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2020 10:34 (four years ago) link
That isn't harmless, a restaurant has kitchens too, are you going to re-model those?...and again what if that restaurant isn't able to have enough customers per day to make enough of a profit, does it go under?
Why not just cover it's costs and make sure that it can re-open when a vaccine is found. It sounds easier to me.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 April 2020 10:44 (four years ago) link
It's not so much a matter of what's there, it's a matter of what's not. Faced with a sea of despair, misery, suffering, the literal response of Joe Biden or his ghost-writers is to say "let's rearrange the furniture".
Joe, what vessel do you think we're traveling on?
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 13 April 2020 15:27 (four years ago) link
clue: deck chairs
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 April 2020 15:59 (four years ago) link
yeah, that was what i was sort of going for, sorry if i was too oblique about it!
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 13 April 2020 16:05 (four years ago) link
The Titanic is passé. We're all on a Carnival cruise ship!
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 13 April 2020 17:19 (four years ago) link
there's a biden-bernie livestream going on right now. biden just said he'll need bernie's help not just winning the election but governing. now he's talking about how we need to raise the min wage to $15 and help workers during the coronavirus time.
― Mordy, Monday, 13 April 2020 18:17 (four years ago) link
joe just said "we can't just build back to the way things were before we need to build to a better future"
― Mordy, Monday, 13 April 2020 18:18 (four years ago) link
and now he's asking bernie for more advice for how to make the economy work for more people
― Mordy, Monday, 13 April 2020 18:19 (four years ago) link
hard to imagine this message lasts the entire campaign in every venue but biden is sounding a lot like bernie atm
― Mordy, Monday, 13 April 2020 18:26 (four years ago) link
Biden making a stump speech in front of a friendly crowd at a state fair would sound a good bit different from Biden online doing a livestream sit down with Bernie. Different audiences, different messages. This tete a' tete does not mean Biden will morph into Bernie, but it is evidence he's been briefed and he is taking it in. He's making an effort to include Bernie's voters as an important part of the mix, and he knows he'll have to adopt parts of Bernie's agenda to win them over.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 13 April 2020 18:38 (four years ago) link
yea this is the first time I've actually felt a small glimmer of hope about a Biden administration
― frogbs, Monday, 13 April 2020 18:52 (four years ago) link
he knows he'll have to adopt give lip service to parts of Bernie's agenda to win them over
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:17 (four years ago) link
I mean yes, to "win them over" in terms of getting votes, but obviously if you think a President Joe Biden would ever "adopt parts of Bernie's agenda" I hava a Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act to sell you
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:20 (four years ago) link
With the utmost respect for Bernie Sanders, who is an incredible human being & a genuine inspiration, I don't endorse Joe Biden. I supported Bernie Sanders because he backed ideas like #MedicareForAll, cancelling ALL student debt, & a wealth tax. Biden supports none of those.— Briahna Joy Gray (@briebriejoy) April 13, 2020
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:28 (four years ago) link
Not like Biden ever could adopt any such policies if you're to believe the "President has no real power under a Republican congress" take that gets deployed on cue to denigrate that agenda as delusionally unrealistic/radical whenever bad faith discussion of "HoW iS hE gOnNa PaSs AnY oF tHiS??" comes up ;)
― Sabre of Paradise (trevor phillips), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:31 (four years ago) link
so that's two prez elections Gray will sit out, eh?
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:35 (four years ago) link
Well done her.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 April 2020 20:38 (four years ago) link
That kind of messianism does have a childish ruthlessness which works beautifully on social media, for sure.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:40 (four years ago) link
Lucky we're not on a Princess ship
― donald failson (sic), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:43 (four years ago) link
where does she live?
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:46 (four years ago) link
Gray's reasoning is ruthless, yes, and also soberly clear. She is not following Bernie which you'd think she would -- if as many people think of Bernie as a messianic sort.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 April 2020 20:52 (four years ago) link
If she'd kept it to herself, well and good. But of course she wants to make her decision public, thus signaling to millions of other minorities that it's okay to sit out this election. She's signaling it's okay to doom themselves. As a POC, I find this disheartening and gross.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:54 (four years ago) link
For Briahna Joy Gray:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iALyrLFJjlE
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:55 (four years ago) link
This, however, is good news: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/12/politics/virginia-election-day-holiday-early-voting/index.html
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:55 (four years ago) link
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn),Monday, April 13, 2020 1:54 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
fair enough, but also: fairly certain no one outside of the twitter wonkaverse/current affairs readership even knows who she is or will ever hear her opinion
― gbx, Monday, 13 April 2020 21:02 (four years ago) link
I thought Sanders supporters on social media would also follow his campaign secretary on Twitter?
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:05 (four years ago) link
thus signaling to millions of other minorities that it's okay to sit out this election.
What were you saying like two days ago about depriving voters of agency when you talk about the effect of leaders and endorsements?
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:05 (four years ago) link
yeah what
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:05 (four years ago) link
anyway, if she’s not in a swing state good for her.and if she is, welp that her business.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:07 (four years ago) link
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z),Monday, April 13, 2020 5:05 PM
the two things can exist at the same time!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:07 (four years ago) link
It's not 'signalling' FFS it's her opinion, and yes outside of twitter she won't be known.
The activists that went out for Bernie won't be sweating for Biden. It will probably be ok xps
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 April 2020 21:08 (four years ago) link
Or a lot of them anyway.
and if she is, welp that her business.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will),Monday, April 13, 2020 2:07 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink
sorry but if you tweet something it's no longer just your business
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:08 (four years ago) link
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn),Monday, April 13, 2020 4:40 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
if it was messianism—a mischaracterization that Biden et al certainly milked for all it was worth—it would stand to reason that she (and others) woud simply follow suit with endorsements. If anything her tweet bolsters the "not me, us" message of the campaign.
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:09 (four years ago) link
you’re right she should definitely know her place and keep her vote to herself if she doesn’t want to support... Joe Biden
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:10 (four years ago) link
my god
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VII
I heard this in 2016 too from his most fervent supporters, and it's clever.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:12 (four years ago) link
Anyway strictly in terms of negotiating strategy it's incumbent on her to compensate proprtionately for Bernie's (also strategic) endorsement
why would she just jump on board? Bernie needs her (and others) to preserve their leverage while he plays nice
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:12 (four years ago) link