US Politics, April 2020 -- Where's the Vax Returns?

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And this is how Republicans operate. Democrats have to use their leverage in the stimulus to save a basic function of government instead of fighting for better health care or more money going to the states or hospitals. And because Republicans simply don't care, it works.

— Erik Loomis (@ErikLoomis) April 12, 2020

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 12 April 2020 17:12 (four years ago) link

The Republicans forced the Post Office to have that provision requiring payment of its pension fund in advance; long before voting by mail was ever an issue.

curmudgeon, Monday, 13 April 2020 02:18 (four years ago) link

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/04/11/coronavirus-economy-stimulus-democrats-leverage-trump-176783?emci=2e457973-d77c-ea11-a94c-00155d03b1e8&emdi=37b0b975-d97c-ea11-a94c-00155d03b1e8&ceid=3836941

Hardball would mean insisting on concessions that Republicans don’t want to make, like sweeping protections for the November election, or far more aggressive public health measures to contain the coronavirus. That doesn’t seem to be a game that Democrats are willing to play.

“The truth is, Democrats just aren’t as willing as Republicans to play severe hardball,” one Democratic leader said in an interview.

Democrats had similar power to shape the $2 trillion CARES Act that Congress overwhelmingly passed in March, and they didn’t drive a particularly hard bargain, getting some of what they wanted but just about nothing Trump didn’t want. Their bipartisan cooperation didn’t even get them invited to Trump’s signing ceremony, a GOP-only photo op.

And while they achieved their goals of increasing the legislation’s aid to hospitals, states and struggling families, Trump is already taking political credit for their work.

curmudgeon, Monday, 13 April 2020 02:22 (four years ago) link

David Dayen of American Prospect says about the above Politico article by Grunwald:

I’ve no doubt that Democrats are as afraid as church mice, but let’s face it: setting the frame like there’s some fateful decision-making coming from Washington is misleading. Everyone knows how this game will end, because the die was cast when Democrats swallowed the giant corporate bailout bill with pretty much no resistance. Not only did Republicans get one thing they wanted out of any crisis response, and therefore see no need to give in on anything else, they learned from Democratic behavior that they will always cave in overwhelming numbers.

So Grunwald can list the escalating steps Democrats could conceivably take. And Pramila Jayapal can drop her nice bill to guarantee worker paychecks during the pandemic. And liberal media figures can print their list of “demands” for the next legislation. But it’s all fantasy football, relative to reality. Democrats showed their hand, and Republicans know they’re bluffing. That’s the end of the story.

curmudgeon, Monday, 13 April 2020 02:26 (four years ago) link

If the Democrats held the presidency or the Senate, they would be in a much better position to play "severe hardball". Holding just one out of three, against two out of three is a clear disadvantage. Their other extreme disadvantage is the lack of a direct pipeline to voters for educating the public on the difference between their proposals and those of the opposition and the reasons for strategic line they are taking. Having an "official organ" to communicate with the rank and file is indispensable.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 13 April 2020 03:11 (four years ago) link

not that I don't want them to play hardball, but a shitload of the independent voting public were shitting on them for delaying the CARE act a single day last time.

they should still try it anyway but voters are often too stupid to know hwo to blame in sitches like this

genital giant (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 April 2020 03:37 (four years ago) link

Supreme Court will genuinely have blood on its hands by the end of the month.

— Peter Labuza (@labuzamovies) April 7, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 April 2020 12:17 (four years ago) link

Good morning!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2020 12:21 (four years ago) link

i know we don't watch these any more, but the "press conference" today is just absurd. right now he's playing a 10 minute+ (and counting) campaign video showing how he did a great, perfect job in the coronavirus response, and how all the governors love him

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 April 2020 22:08 (four years ago) link

any network showing this (i'm watching a fox tv feed) is straight up just airing a really long trump commercial.

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 April 2020 22:08 (four years ago) link

Amazing, huh? That little prepared film reel was absurd--four clips, two of them from Fox!

clemenza, Monday, 13 April 2020 22:09 (four years ago) link

You can tell Fauci has no stomach for this--you could see real anger when he was asked if he was coerced into his statement.

clemenza, Monday, 13 April 2020 22:11 (four years ago) link

I reported it on Youtube for disinformation... which most probably means nothing, but in the rare event someone at Google is not a complete spineless tool (slim chance ime) might relate?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 13 April 2020 22:18 (four years ago) link

this is one of the most pathetic, childish things i've ever seen from. amazing.

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 April 2020 22:20 (four years ago) link

seen from (trump)

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 April 2020 22:20 (four years ago) link

The CNN crawl ticker (or whatever it's called) says "Angry Trump Turns Briefing Into Propaganda Session."

clemenza, Monday, 13 April 2020 22:22 (four years ago) link

I tuned in so very briefly while browsing the WaPo front page, and was just stunned. People are dying by the thousands and he's lying about how the US is awash with ventilators and hospital beds and Pence is using Trump's own catchphrases to call his approach to the disaster "a ten". What a lunatic egomaniac. He's a total supervillain, insane and deranged.

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Monday, 13 April 2020 22:25 (four years ago) link

this is demented

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 April 2020 22:27 (four years ago) link

it's still going strong. what a fucking imbecile

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 April 2020 22:27 (four years ago) link

Karl read a book

silby, Monday, 13 April 2020 22:28 (four years ago) link

i highly recommend these books:

https://michaelkelly.artofeurope.com/karl.htm

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 April 2020 22:29 (four years ago) link

not watching it but a lot of people on my FB feed are commenting on how crazy this is. are the major networks still airing it?

frogbs, Monday, 13 April 2020 22:33 (four years ago) link

Fake-news CNN, not sure if anyone else does.

clemenza, Monday, 13 April 2020 22:34 (four years ago) link

beats me. after the 10 minute campaign video, he then went on an (of course) unhinged rant on how good he was and how perfect etc etc, for like 30-40 minutes straight. he really wants everyone to tell him how good he is doing

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 April 2020 22:34 (four years ago) link

i checked in for a few seconds. hoo boy

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 13 April 2020 22:53 (four years ago) link

He's now openly threatening governors who don't follow a federal open-up order.

clemenza, Monday, 13 April 2020 22:53 (four years ago) link

"when someone is president of the united states, the authority is total"

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 April 2020 22:58 (four years ago) link

I haven't watched CNN in years. MSNBC at least has decent commentators.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2020 23:02 (four years ago) link

another case of him playing to his base, insisting on powers he knows he doesn't have

or should know he doesn't have

genital giant (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 April 2020 23:02 (four years ago) link

(xpost) Just came to post that remarkable Nixon-like statement. Not being American, I just assume the call to re-open (still an abstract concept as to what that exactly means) is up to the states, no? It's going to be so bizarre watching the political calculus on states' rights turned on its head. (Obviously, I'm all for the states here.)

clemenza, Monday, 13 April 2020 23:03 (four years ago) link

yeah, he's full of shit

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 April 2020 23:06 (four years ago) link

Wow. In so many words, he just clarified what he means by total authority: he has the ventilators, governors don't.

clemenza, Monday, 13 April 2020 23:07 (four years ago) link

"when someone is president of the united states, the authority is total"

did he actually say that?

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 April 2020 23:07 (four years ago) link

That's a direct quote.

clemenza, Monday, 13 April 2020 23:08 (four years ago) link

GOP governors and state legislators aren’t dumb enough to give Trump the precedent here. They might be really dumb, but they like having power. Trump is suggesting he can nullify that at a whim.

El Tomboto, Monday, 13 April 2020 23:09 (four years ago) link

"when someone is president of the united states, the authority is total"

Kind of wondering how much of this is (A) Kabuki to galvanize the chuds and (B) a lie he can cite later about powers "we don't want to give Biden!"

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 13 April 2020 23:14 (four years ago) link

it’s not kabuki, it’s kayfabe

El Tomboto, Monday, 13 April 2020 23:15 (four years ago) link

Checks out.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 13 April 2020 23:16 (four years ago) link

#PressBriefing Read the CNN chirons ....As Trump lies and Rants ! 😀 Read the chirons...CNN was ready for Trump tonight as he goes after the Media, they’re ready 😀

Why oh! Why! Do his handlers let him go out in this mode?🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️ pic.twitter.com/nTUAWA8sHV

— Josey Chuks (@cocoajo) April 13, 2020

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 13 April 2020 23:24 (four years ago) link

just for the images, not the account

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 13 April 2020 23:25 (four years ago) link

without having seen any exit poll and only the results - not sure why the gop thought that making people show up to polling sites during a pandemic that kills lots of old people and doesn't kill lots of young people was a slam dunk for them

iatee, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 00:49 (four years ago) link

Jill Karofsky beat Walkers appointee for State Supreme Court in Wisconsin despite GOP rigging. Did not expect that.

frogbs, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 00:51 (four years ago) link

Was just coming to post that. Unexpected, huge win.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 00:52 (four years ago) link

Some exact quotes from this afternoon:

"If some states refuse to open, I would like to see that person run for election."

"When someone's the president of the United States, the authority is total. And that's the way it's gotta be--total."

"You know what we're gonna do? We're going to write up papers on this--it's not going to be necessary, because the governors need us one way or the other."

"I haven't asked anybody [i.e., governors]. Because you know why?--because I don't have to."

clemenza, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 00:59 (four years ago) link

several of those came within the same 1 minute or so, too. just a real wild time. i would love to show this to someone in the year 2014

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 01:02 (four years ago) link

"When someone's the president of the United States, the authority is total. And that's the way it's gotta be--total."

holy shit if Obama had said this

frogbs, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 01:10 (four years ago) link

Threatening to run third party

Thanks. I’m looking at it closely this week.

— Justin Amash (@justinamash) April 14, 2020

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 01:10 (four years ago) link

did WI's Supreme Court race ever get polled? I expected Kelly to win due to the ratfucking in Milwaukee plus the enormous amount of Kelly signs I saw everywhere I went but I wonder how big an upset it actually was. considering that the presidency is basically gonna run through Wisconsin this seems like a big deal

frogbs, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 01:14 (four years ago) link


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